- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:17:01 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CF2BDAA7.19B2E%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Available at http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html
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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
20 Feb 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
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Attendees
Present
+1.720.897.aaaa, Mike, Plh, glenn, jdsmith, nigel, pal,
plh, tmichel
Regrets
andreas
Chair
nigel
Scribe
plh
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Charter
2. [5]Action items
3. [6]Overdue action items
4. [7]Change proposals
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
<nigel> scribeNick: plh
Charter
plh: the charter is out
<nigel> [9]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
plh: deadline is March 20
<nigel> [10]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html
plh: it isn't perfect but comments by the deadline
Nigel: you had to make some changes.
plh: some text moved to 2.1
" As needed, the Group will also coordinate with the HTML
Accessibility Task Force and the HTML Working Group to
contribute how to interoperably implement described video with
the Open Web Platform. "
[..]
Glenn: it's appendix N, we talk about dilation and narrowing of
the time
... parameter called played rate
... we didn't really work out the all business of played rate
yet but it's there
Nigel: timeline?
plh: HTML 5.1 is the target here. end of the year for LC
Nigel: it's simply a change to the audio track
... no other change
plh: make sure to have a fresh look at the charter
... for the milestones, please have a fresh at them
Thierry: some phases are unrealistic. like LC for first
deliverable. we're squeezing those by Feb 2015.
... why squeeze everything in the first year and have nothing
after that for a year?
Nigel: everybody is keen to make progress and don't want to see
too long of a delay
... unless we make a significant acceleration, we won't reach
LC by April 2014
Thierry: LC and CR for WebVTT are too closed
... one month to address comments is unrealistic
... unless we expect 0 comment
Nigel: we don't have the WebVTT folks around
... we can put that to them
... they're working on their FSA process
... to serve as a starting point as soon as the charter is
approved
... they'll be very few changes between charter approval and LC
... and they're thinking is that comments will be already
addressed by the time they get into LC
... if anybody needs longer to review WebVTT, they should raise
that point
Action items
action-244?
<trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with
work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback
is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
issue-295?
<trackbot> issue-295 -- Remove code point restrictions from
IMSC -- open
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295
[12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295
Nigel: Glenn, did you review the edits?
Glenn: not yet. will get that done in the next couple of days.
... ttml is back on the top of my queue
ACTION-244: waiting on Glenn to confirm the edits
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-244 Proceed with work to
investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to
remove annex a..
action-257?
<trackbot> action-257 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a new
issue to split these out for tracking. -- due 2014-01-23 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257
issue-205?
<trackbot> issue-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted
xml:id instead of id. -- pending review
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205
Nigel: there was a proposal to reintroduce id, but it got
withdrawn?
Glenn: yes, no other request. I'll like to drop it
Nigel: objection to close it?
close issue-205
<trackbot> Closed issue-205.
action-203?
<trackbot> action-203 -- Glenn Adams to Investigate 708 border
style mapping issues with mike's help -- due 2013-09-26 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203
Glenn: I couldn't nail down the intent of this action
... so I suggested to take no action
Mike: it was raise by plh about a mismatch between 708 border
style and CSS
Glenn: I don't believe we have border support in TTML
... we use shadow and outline for text
... but nothing about border
Mike: let's assume this is text and not region for a moment.
708 have specific styles that can't be represented by TTML
... I offered to help frame the problem but this is not my
issue
<nigel> [16]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
[16] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
Nigel: change proposal 15 mentions shadow, outline and border
on text and regions
... it lists some issues related to this
... if Mike was able to describe 708 style, it would be helpful
Mike: I can enumerate text edge style from 708
plh: i'll look into this issue to make it clearer
(action reassigned to plh)
action-262?
<trackbot> action-262 -- Nigel Megitt to Update relevant change
proposal to include row alignment requirement and potential css
solution based on action-233 findings -- due 2014-01-23 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262
[17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262
Nigel: I added that into change proposal 15
... that's in the section called "multiple row alignment"
[18]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row
_alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29
[18] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row_alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29
<mike> re edge styles, see:
[19]https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191
[19] https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191
Nigel: if people thinks we need more details, let me know
... otherwise we can close it
close action-262
<trackbot> Closed action-262.
Nigel back to issue-203
Nigel: issue-191 says that it was implemented
Mike: but it wasn't resolved technically
Nigel: Glenn indicated that he fixed it
[20]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98
[20] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98
Glenn: I added an appendix to SDP as part of the resolution
... "Additional character edge features for raised, depressed,
and drop shadowed edges are suggested for consideration in a
future version of TTML."
... I believe we have an issue to add text shadow property and
deprecate text outline property
... the new text shadow should be sufficient
Nigel: we'll leave 203 open for plh
... Mike might want to add information
action-264?
<trackbot> action-264 -- Nigel Megitt to Ensure all p1 and p2
issues not closed belong in a change proposal -- due 2014-01-23
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264
[21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264
Nigel: did these
... any further points to raise?
close action-264
<trackbot> Closed action-264.
Overdue action items
close action-251
<trackbot> Closed action-251.
action-251?
<trackbot> action-251 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Copy the wiki
pages donated by web&tv in the tt wiki -- due 2013-12-18 --
CLOSED
<trackbot>
[22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251
[22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251
Nigel: the slash at the end makes a different
... so I moved it
<nigel>
[23]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications
[23] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications
Nigel: you should fix the link in the wiki of WebTV
<mike> action-203 updated to reference issue-191
action-207?
<trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down
clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due
2013-09-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207
[24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207
Glenn: I've been working on the TT validator
action-246?
<trackbot> action-246 -- Nigel Megitt to Take deliverables of
draft charter to TAG for scrutiny -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246
[25] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246
Nigel: I'll need to look at that harder
... I'll wait until approval for that
Change proposals
Nigel: the only one is change proposal 15
... I added the box declaration break example
... and the font face rule
... and multiple alignment
... unless there are questions, we should figure which change
proposals folks want to take first
... otherwise, I'll like put change proposal 15 at the top of
our list
... regarding the timelines, we'll need to accelerate a bit
plh: we should have milestones on the agenda
Glenn: we may need to adjust them
NigeL I could take this offline with Glenn as well
Glenn: sure
<scribe> ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2
deliberables with Glenn [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Estimate timelines for ttml 2
deliberables with glenn [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-02-27].
Nigel: otherwise are welcome to pitch in as well
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2
deliberables with Glenn [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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