- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:17:01 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
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Available at http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 20 Feb 2014 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-irc Attendees Present +1.720.897.aaaa, Mike, Plh, glenn, jdsmith, nigel, pal, plh, tmichel Regrets andreas Chair nigel Scribe plh Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Charter 2. [5]Action items 3. [6]Overdue action items 4. [7]Change proposals * [8]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014 <nigel> scribeNick: plh Charter plh: the charter is out <nigel> [9]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html [9] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html plh: deadline is March 20 <nigel> [10]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html [10] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html plh: it isn't perfect but comments by the deadline Nigel: you had to make some changes. plh: some text moved to 2.1 " As needed, the Group will also coordinate with the HTML Accessibility Task Force and the HTML Working Group to contribute how to interoperably implement described video with the Open Web Platform. " [..] Glenn: it's appendix N, we talk about dilation and narrowing of the time ... parameter called played rate ... we didn't really work out the all business of played rate yet but it's there Nigel: timeline? plh: HTML 5.1 is the target here. end of the year for LC Nigel: it's simply a change to the audio track ... no other change plh: make sure to have a fresh look at the charter ... for the milestones, please have a fresh at them Thierry: some phases are unrealistic. like LC for first deliverable. we're squeezing those by Feb 2015. ... why squeeze everything in the first year and have nothing after that for a year? Nigel: everybody is keen to make progress and don't want to see too long of a delay ... unless we make a significant acceleration, we won't reach LC by April 2014 Thierry: LC and CR for WebVTT are too closed ... one month to address comments is unrealistic ... unless we expect 0 comment Nigel: we don't have the WebVTT folks around ... we can put that to them ... they're working on their FSA process ... to serve as a starting point as soon as the charter is approved ... they'll be very few changes between charter approval and LC ... and they're thinking is that comments will be already addressed by the time they get into LC ... if anybody needs longer to review WebVTT, they should raise that point Action items action-244? <trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244 [11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244 issue-295? <trackbot> issue-295 -- Remove code point restrictions from IMSC -- open <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295 [12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295 Nigel: Glenn, did you review the edits? Glenn: not yet. will get that done in the next couple of days. ... ttml is back on the top of my queue ACTION-244: waiting on Glenn to confirm the edits <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-244 Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a.. action-257? <trackbot> action-257 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a new issue to split these out for tracking. -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257 [13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257 issue-205? <trackbot> issue-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted xml:id instead of id. -- pending review <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205 [14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205 Nigel: there was a proposal to reintroduce id, but it got withdrawn? Glenn: yes, no other request. I'll like to drop it Nigel: objection to close it? close issue-205 <trackbot> Closed issue-205. action-203? <trackbot> action-203 -- Glenn Adams to Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help -- due 2013-09-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203 [15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203 Glenn: I couldn't nail down the intent of this action ... so I suggested to take no action Mike: it was raise by plh about a mismatch between 708 border style and CSS Glenn: I don't believe we have border support in TTML ... we use shadow and outline for text ... but nothing about border Mike: let's assume this is text and not region for a moment. 708 have specific styles that can't be represented by TTML ... I offered to help frame the problem but this is not my issue <nigel> [16]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015 [16] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015 Nigel: change proposal 15 mentions shadow, outline and border on text and regions ... it lists some issues related to this ... if Mike was able to describe 708 style, it would be helpful Mike: I can enumerate text edge style from 708 plh: i'll look into this issue to make it clearer (action reassigned to plh) action-262? <trackbot> action-262 -- Nigel Megitt to Update relevant change proposal to include row alignment requirement and potential css solution based on action-233 findings -- due 2014-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262 [17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262 Nigel: I added that into change proposal 15 ... that's in the section called "multiple row alignment" [18]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row _alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29 [18] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row_alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29 <mike> re edge styles, see: [19]https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191 [19] https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191 Nigel: if people thinks we need more details, let me know ... otherwise we can close it close action-262 <trackbot> Closed action-262. Nigel back to issue-203 Nigel: issue-191 says that it was implemented Mike: but it wasn't resolved technically Nigel: Glenn indicated that he fixed it [20]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98 [20] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98 Glenn: I added an appendix to SDP as part of the resolution ... "Additional character edge features for raised, depressed, and drop shadowed edges are suggested for consideration in a future version of TTML." ... I believe we have an issue to add text shadow property and deprecate text outline property ... the new text shadow should be sufficient Nigel: we'll leave 203 open for plh ... Mike might want to add information action-264? <trackbot> action-264 -- Nigel Megitt to Ensure all p1 and p2 issues not closed belong in a change proposal -- due 2014-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264 [21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264 Nigel: did these ... any further points to raise? close action-264 <trackbot> Closed action-264. Overdue action items close action-251 <trackbot> Closed action-251. action-251? <trackbot> action-251 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Copy the wiki pages donated by web&tv in the tt wiki -- due 2013-12-18 -- CLOSED <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251 [22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251 Nigel: the slash at the end makes a different ... so I moved it <nigel> [23]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications [23] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications Nigel: you should fix the link in the wiki of WebTV <mike> action-203 updated to reference issue-191 action-207? <trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207 [24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207 Glenn: I've been working on the TT validator action-246? <trackbot> action-246 -- Nigel Megitt to Take deliverables of draft charter to TAG for scrutiny -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246 [25] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246 Nigel: I'll need to look at that harder ... I'll wait until approval for that Change proposals Nigel: the only one is change proposal 15 ... I added the box declaration break example ... and the font face rule ... and multiple alignment ... unless there are questions, we should figure which change proposals folks want to take first ... otherwise, I'll like put change proposal 15 at the top of our list ... regarding the timelines, we'll need to accelerate a bit plh: we should have milestones on the agenda Glenn: we may need to adjust them NigeL I could take this offline with Glenn as well Glenn: sure <scribe> ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2 deliberables with Glenn [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Estimate timelines for ttml 2 deliberables with glenn [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-02-27]. Nigel: otherwise are welcome to pitch in as well [adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2 deliberables with Glenn [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [28]scribe.perl version 1.138 ([29]CVS log) $Date: 2014-02-20 16:12:22 $ __________________________________________________________ [28] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [29] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. 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