- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:39:03 -0600
- To: Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>
- Cc: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
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Draft minutes at [1]. Text version follows.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html
- DRAFT -
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
17 Oct 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0040.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
Sean, glenn, Mike, pal, mijordan, dsinger, Plh
Regrets
Chair
sean
Scribe
glenn
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]imsc drafts
2. [6]ttwg charter
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
<Sean> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
<scribe> scribenick: glenn
ISSUE-275?
<trackbot> ISSUE-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height
'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- closed
<trackbot>
[8]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275
[8] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275
sean: anything more on this?
mike: no need to reopen, can process open issues on this (283)
ISSUE-283?
<trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and
presentation -- open
<trackbot>
[9]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283
[9] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283
glenn: let's discuss 284 first
ISSUE-284?
<trackbot> ISSUE-284 -- value of lineHeight -- raised
<trackbot>
[10]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284
[10] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284
sean: this is mostly related to ttml2 which is now being
prescriptive instead of a recommendation
... we could make this (the percentage) a rec in ttml2 as well,
so there would be no conformance issue
<Dsinger> It maps to a specific value on each platform, but
maybe not the same value...
<scribe> ACTION: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note
to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then
they should specify specific value [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Change to rec in ttml2, and add
note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value,
then they should specify specific value [on Glenn Adams - due
2013-10-24].
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0010.
html
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0010.html
glenn: the above shows that the max height of all lines applies
to the entire para
<scribe> ACTION: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further
regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected
by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph
[recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Investigate actual css behavior
further regarding whether line height of individual lines are
affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over
paragraph [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-10-24].
<scribe> ACTION: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and
XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Double check spec language on
css and xsl-fo around line height stacking strategy [on Glenn
Adams - due 2013-10-24].
ISSUE-283?
<trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and
presentation -- open
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283
glenn: mentions ways to support downloaded fonts, using
mechanism similar to SMPTE-TT for background images
<Dsinger> I also was hoping for Philippe
<Dsinger> Am on a bus hence muted
<Dsinger> ...and VTT
mike: in theory, someone at W3C received a SMPTE liaison
statment, but it thasn't shown up here
<Dsinger> As editor I could also share 1:1 with anyone curious
<Dsinger> Them mpeg file format folks
<Dsinger> 14496
<scribe> ACTION: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re:
parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Check on receipt of iso
liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [on Sean Hayes - due
2013-10-24].
mike: suggests checking with chris lilley or jean claude duford
imsc drafts
pal: no changes since last week
... has generated some issues like 283
... feedback in other forums (e.g., EBU)
... expect some changes in coming weeks
... nothing concrete to report today
<Dsinger> Back. Wifi troubles
<Dsinger> Philippe?
<Dsinger> Bus wifi is ... Fun
<Sean> Yes we all are waiting for Philippe
<Sean> Does anyone have Phillipes cell number?
<Dsinger> 617 417 9822
<Sean> ok I will call him
just lost my connection
will call back
dsinger: devices vs general platforms
... general platforms usually allow downloadable font resources
... devices more specific to per region support
<Dsinger> For western languages there are free fonts, yes. For
Asia, less so
<Sean> Philippe will be here shortly
<Dsinger> Good morning plh
<Dsinger> Yes
<Dsinger> Got an early bus
ttwg charter
<Dsinger> I have mostly minor comments
plh: have comments from pal
... issue about external submissions?
<plh>
[17]http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-201
30607/
[17] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/
<Dsinger> Repeat 'that'?
<plh> TTML Text and Image Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles
and Captions
<Dsinger> Got it
plh: should IMSC be added to charter?
sean: should take opportunity to change date
<Dsinger> Ok
plh: will link submission from charter; title can be changed
... are we all agreeing about rec track for imsc?
... would need implementations
sean: need to change name of TTML 1.1 to TTML2 in charter
dsinger: some minor editorial comments
what does "offline" media captioning mean?
should everything be useful for described video?
<pal> Under "Liaisons with W3C Groups", I would add the Web&TV
IG
sean: must is a stretch for described video
dsinger: under deliverable 2, if "previously specified" then
already in spec text
pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some stuff"
<plh> remove "previously specified but now"
plh: can say "previously unspecified features"
<plh> fix "Text Text"
dsinger: should say something about CSS as a mapping
plh: already have this via "mapping" activity
<plh> move item 6 into item 1 (TTML 2)
dsinger: surprised that 608/708 aren't mentioned under
deliverables
mike: notes that SMPTE TT has done this
... nothing wrong with mentioning this in charter
dsinger: can be mentioned as to be considered as opposed to new
deliverable
pal: plh did you catch the liaison with w3c groups?
plh: yes
<pal> > pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some
stuff"< that was not pal
pal: web & tv ig
<Dsinger> Obviously the chair name
plh: will update no later than monday and send to list
<Dsinger> I will forward to the CG. Don't forget to remove Sean
as initial chair.
<Dsinger> Yes
<Dsinger> VTT bug 20037 is close to fixed. Then FSA
plh: may need separate telecoms for vtt related matters
dsinger: should be able to get enough people to participate
plh: group can decide on need for separate telecom
<Dsinger> Send me email and I will follow up
<Dsinger> Email later is fine
<plh>
[18]http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html
[18] http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html
plh: how much time at TPAC on VTT?
dsinger: should allocate at least an hour
plh: possible sched for friday for VTT discussions
... pick time and send to dsinger and silvia
<Dsinger> When send draft to AC?
sean, dsinger: think we don't need to hold up charter for VTT
finalization
dsinger: let's get charter in good shape and ready to send to
AC first
... can get informal comments from AC
plh: already did this back in May
pal: what is patent commit issue around VTT?
dsinger: need to do FSA pass to get commits from Silvia and
other authors
... need a bug fixed first
... 20037 in bugzilla about H/V positioning
plh: will update charter and send out by monday
... then start internal review
<Dsinger> Good
plh: will see about sending to AC for prelim review before
TPAC, but if not then ASAP after TPAC
mike: how are we doing on IETF/IANA registration of TTML?
glenn: is there a new IANA tracking number?
plh: did resbumit with corrections before publication of
TTML1SE
... will try to find tracker link and send that to WG
<scribe> ACTION: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit
of MIME type registration [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Find iana tracking number for
resubmit of mime type registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret -
due 2013-10-24].
sean: AOB?
... adjourned
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note to
authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then
they should specify specific value [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and
XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further
regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected
by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit of
MIME type registration [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re:
parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action04]
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