- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:32:04 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CEB3E56C.14CF7%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Available at: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
21 Nov 2013
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
nigel, Mike, [Microsoft], Plh, mijordan
Regrets
Michael_Jordan, Frans_de_Jong, Cyril_Concolato,
Thierry_Michel, Andreas_Tai, Glenn, Adams
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]IANA Registration
2. [5]TTML WG Liaison from the EBU MIM-XMLSubs Group
3. [6]AOB
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
<glenn> yes
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
action-88?
<trackbot> action-88 -- Mike Dolan to Make sure the TTML media
type is properly registered for Issue-175. -- due 2013-10-31 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[8]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/88
[8] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/88
mike: We have closure on wording, need to communicate to IANA.
Need to know who the contact is and how to respond.
... Last time it was just an email exchange.
<scribe> ACTION: plh to tell mike contact details for
proceeding with IANA registration [recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Tell mike contact details for
proceeding with iana registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due
2013-11-28].
[10]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
[11]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/ttml-charter-diff.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2013/11/ttml-charter-diff.html
mike: please could you summarise TTWG at TPAC?
jdsmith: +1
[12]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac
[12] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac
nigel: above is agenda, with links to minutes
... summarises TPAC meeting
<scribe> ACTION: nigel to take deliverables of draft charter to
TAG for scrutiny [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Take deliverables of draft
charter to tag for scrutiny [on Nigel Megitt - due 2013-11-28].
plh: dsinger is addressing WebVTT licensing issues, which may
delay charter.
... part of the issue is that the WebVTT documents were created
under a different license
mike: will take up the licence issue with dsinger directly.
action-241?
<trackbot> action-241 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Edit charter by
next tuesday -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/241
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/241
close action-241
<trackbot> Closed action-241.
action-242?
<trackbot> action-242 -- Nigel Megitt to Action mark_vickers to
ask ig to provide input in external groups list in new charter
-- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/242
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/242
plh: contact Dan Appleqvist directly (the chair) with precise
details of what we're asking TAG to do and provide.
... What kind of technical feedback would you like from TAG for
the charter.
<plh> Daniel Appelquist, Peter Linss
<plh> [16]https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
[16] https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
IANA Registration
action-245?
<trackbot> action-245 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Tell mike
contact details for proceeding with iana registration -- due
2013-11-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/245
[17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/245
plh: thought Mike already had the contact details.
... will forward the original email request or provide the
information here.
action-223?
<trackbot> action-223 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find iana
tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration -- due
2013-10-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223
[18] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223
close action-223
<trackbot> Closed action-223.
close action-226
<trackbot> Closed action-226.
action-227?
<trackbot> action-227 -- Nigel Megitt to Inform plh when
issue(s) filed in order to coordinate -- due 2013-11-07 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/227
[19] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/227
close action-227
<trackbot> Closed action-227.
<plh> mike, email address is iana-mime@iana.org
action-229?
<trackbot> action-229 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Answer the ebu
liaison letter -- due 2013-11-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/229
[20] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/229
<plh> use [IANA #711352] at the start of the subject header
close action-229
<trackbot> Closed action-229.
action-235?
<trackbot> action-235 -- Nigel Megitt to Post ebu input
document re: issue-288 -- due 2013-11-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/235
[21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/235
Document now available via email at
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0026.
html
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0026.html
close action-235
<trackbot> Closed action-235.
<plh> action-239?
<trackbot> action-239 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Raise this
issue -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
[23] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
mike: requests that the issue is codified better
plh: notes that it's for pal to codify, as part of the action
action-240?
<trackbot> action-240 -- David Singer to Consider the problem
of the license change from cg to wg, with the ac and ab and
staff -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/240
[24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/240
nigel: action open as philippe mentioned before, nothing to add
at this point. Action is in progress.
action-243?
<trackbot> action-243 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Edit
dsinger's proposed wording which captures the intent. -- due
2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/243
[25] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/243
<scribe> ACTION: nigel to send text version of TPAC minutes to
public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions
and associate them automatically. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Send text version of tpac
minutes to public list - tracker will then combine the issues
and actions and associate them automatically. [on Nigel Megitt
- due 2013-11-28].
action-244?
<trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with
work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback
is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[27]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
[27] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
nigel: Glenn sent regrets until Dec 5 so passing over actions
assigned to him
action-164?
<trackbot> action-164 -- Jerry Smith to Investigate interop
issues using CSS familyName constructs -- due 2013-06-06 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/164
[28] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/164
jdsmith: is there any further info?
plh: action raised by sean, passed to Jerry
jdsmith: requests assistance on this action, to understand what
it's about.
<plh> Mike: we're not using the unicode escape from CSS. does
it present an issue in TTML?
<plh> Jerry: I'll look into it
action-222?
<trackbot> action-222 -- Mike Dolan to Check on receipt of iso
liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
[29] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
<plh> action-222?
<trackbot> action-222 -- Mike Dolan to Check on receipt of iso
liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[30]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
[30] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
mike: thinks liaison went to Chris
... one liaison was posted directly to Web and TV IG
... Will take this action
... documents need to be published to the non-public (member)
group d-list
... cover letter can be made public but draft standards can not
be.
plh: will do so.
mike: can find email and resend
action-228?
<trackbot> action-228 -- Nigel Megitt to Coordinate with david
singer re: vtt agenda items. -- due 2013-11-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[31]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/228
[31] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/228
close action-228
<trackbot> Closed action-228.
action-231?
<trackbot> action-231 -- Nigel Megitt to Find out which group
within dvb we should target -- due 2013-11-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/231
[32] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/231
close action-231
<trackbot> Closed action-231.
issue-298?
<trackbot> issue-298 -- Permit reuse of animation constructs by
allowing multiple content elements to reference same
out-of-line animation declaration -- raised
<trackbot>
[33]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/298
[33] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/298
<plh> action-239?
<trackbot> action-239 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Raise issue
on permit reuse of animation construct(s) by allowing multiple
content elements to reference same out-of-line animation
declaration -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[34]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
[34] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
<mike> IANA replied to by email
nigel: adds note to issue to state it was raised due to
action-239
<mike> ISO liaison emailed to PLH and Nigel - close 222
action-239: raised as issue-209
<trackbot> Notes added to action-239 Raise issue on permit
reuse of animation construct(s) by allowing multiple content
elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration.
close action-239
<trackbot> Closed action-239.
action-222: plh to send to members list
<trackbot> Notes added to action-222 Check on receipt of iso
liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496.
action-222: plh has done this
<trackbot> Notes added to action-222 Check on receipt of iso
liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496.
close action-222
<trackbot> Closed action-222.
<plh>
[35]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2013Nov/0000
.html
[35] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2013Nov/0000.html
agendum 3?
nigel: raises face to face meeting topic
mike: we've discussed a transformation between TTML and VTT,
but we haven't discussed the use cases and requirements for
co-habitation.
... I don't think everyone everywhere needs to deal with both
standards. Some environments are better suited by one or the
other.
... Before discussing mappings we need to consider use case and
requirements for each - we may find that all mappings (both
directions) are not needed or there could be an HTML5
compatibility solution
nigel: agrees
plh: What's driving W3C in this mapping is to ensure that
people with TTML document can deliver it on the web, using VTT
if needed, therefore they need a mapping to VTT.
... same thing goes for WebVTT if delivery as TTML is needed.
That's W3C's use case.
mike: I don't agree that both are necessary or useful. Need to
understand the need for bidirectional mapping. We may not need
WebVTT into TTML transformation.
nigel: any preferences re timing or location for a f2f?
plh: is the goal to have WebVTT people together?
nigel: yes
plh: need to have the charter agreed before choosing f2f -
seems too early to decide now.
nigel: I think dsinger is keen to push ahead.
plh: can shoot for spring for example.
... eg Feb or Mar
... based on charter.
nigel: suggests April or May.
plh: who would host?
nigel: happy to have volunteers otherwise David and I will have
to discuss.
TTML WG Liaison from the EBU MIM-XMLSubs Group
plh: circulated this last week
nigel: This is the EBU-TT-D draft for comments
... [with EBU hat] members can comment by Nov 25
... EBU will be happy for comments directly
... [with TTWG hat on] suggests that people copy in public-tt
list if making any comments.
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0032.
html
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0032.html
AOB
nigel: believes there's a US holiday next week?
group decides to postpone next week's meeting
nigel: next meeting will be Dec 5.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: nigel to send text version of TPAC minutes to
public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions
and associate them automatically. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: nigel to take deliverables of draft charter to
TAG for scrutiny [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: plh to tell mike contact details for proceeding
with IANA registration [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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