- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 10:13:16 -0600
- To: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
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Minutes are available at [1]. A text version follows.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-tt-minutes.html
[1]W3C
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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
18 Jul 2013
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2013/07/18-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
glenn_, +1.858.847.aaaa, +44.118.900.aabb, mike, Sean,
pal, mijordan, Thomas_Bause_Mason, tmichel
Regrets
Chair
Sean
Scribe
glenn_
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Review Action Items
2. [5]Active Change Proposals
3. [6]Version # for TTML.next
4. [7]Member Submission from Movie Labs
5. [8]TPAC
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 18 July 2013
<scribe> scribenick: glenn_
Review Action Items
ACTION-41?
<trackbot> ACTION-41 -- Sean Hayes to ACTION: Sean to start the
Note on how to use TTML with HTML5/CSS [recorded in
[ ][10]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03]
-- due 2012-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
[10] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/41
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/41
close ACTION-41
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-41 ACTION: Sean to start the Note on
how to use TTML with HTML5/CSS [recorded in
[ ][12]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03].
[12] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-ttml-minutes.html#action03
<tmichel> I am trying to call ...
ACTION-55?
<trackbot> ACTION-55 -- Glenn Adams to work with plh to create
accessible schema -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/55
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/55
close ACTION-55
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-55 Work with plh to create accessible
schema.
ACTION-69?
<trackbot> ACTION-69 -- Glenn Adams to investigate correctness
of 9.3.3 (7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG --
due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/69
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/69
close ACTION-69
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-69 Investigate correctness of 9.3.3
(7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG.
ACTION-72?
<trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Glenn Adams to implement proposed
changes from ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed. -- due
2012-06-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/72
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/72
close ACTION-72
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-72 Implement proposed changes from
ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed..
ACTION-73?
<trackbot> ACTION-73 -- Sean Hayes to incorporate result of
ACTION-71 into CP
[16]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 -- due
2012-07-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
[16] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/73
[17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/73
close ACTION-73
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-73 Incorporate result of ACTION-71
into CP [18]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002.
[18] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002.
ACTION-75?
<trackbot> ACTION-75 -- Glenn Adams to determine best approach
to refer to external xml.xsd per action 60; may need to deal
with xml:id separately -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/75
[19] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/75
<mike> xml.xsd authoriotative link is: www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd
Action glenn to update local copy of xml.xsd to use newer copy
based on above link.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Update local copy of xml.xsd to
use newer copy based on above link. [on Glenn Adams - due
2013-07-25].
close ACTION-75
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-75 Determine best approach to refer to
external xml.xsd per action 60; may need to deal with xml:id
separately.
ACTION-76?
<trackbot> ACTION-76 -- Glenn Adams to incorporate results from
action 56 into 1.1 -- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/76
[20] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/76
close ACTION-76
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-76 Incorporate results from action 56
into 1.1.
ACTION-77?
<trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Glenn Adams to incorporate results from
endsync resolution per action 52 into 1.0 2ed -- due 2012-07-19
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/77
[21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/77
close ACTION-77
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-77 Incorporate results from endsync
resolution per action 52 into 1.0 2ed.
ACTION-83?
<trackbot> ACTION-83 -- Glenn Adams to draft proposal or spec
text for ISSUE-174 (canonical concrete syntax for TTML) -- due
2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/83
[22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/83
Action sean to open new issue(s) describing problems with
concrete encoding.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Open new issue(s) describing
problems with concrete encoding. [on Sean Hayes - due
2013-07-25].
close ACTION-83
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-83 Draft proposal or spec text for
ISSUE-174 (canonical concrete syntax for TTML).
ACTION-92?
<trackbot> ACTION-92 -- Glenn Adams to integrate
[23]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1.
-- due 2012-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
[23] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/92
[24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/92
close ACTION-92
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-92 Integrate
[25]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1..
[25] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001
ACTION-109?
<trackbot> ACTION-109 -- Mike Dolan to provide examples for
TTML 1.0 SE. -- due 2012-10-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[26]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/109
[26] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/109
close ACTION-109
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-109 Provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE..
ACTION-130?
<trackbot> ACTION-130 -- Sean Hayes to provide example with
screen shot to the list for Issue-189 for TTML 1.0 SE portion.
-- due 2012-11-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[27]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/130
[27] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/130
close ACTION-130
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-130 Provide example with screen shot
to the list for Issue-189 for TTML 1.0 SE portion..
ACTION-132?
<trackbot> ACTION-132 -- Glenn Adams to create an Annex on
using of XML wire encoding in TTML 1.0 SE. -- due 2012-12-06 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/132
[28] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/132
close ACTION-132
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-132 Create an Annex on using of XML
wire encoding in TTML 1.0 SE..
ACTION-135?
<trackbot> ACTION-135 -- Sean Hayes to create an issue on set
element re: transformation between TTML file and synchronic
documents. Sean to investigate. -- due 2013-01-10 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[29]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/135
[29] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/135
close ACTION-135
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-135 Create an issue on set element re:
transformation between TTML file and synchronic documents. Sean
to investigate..
ACTION-136?
<trackbot> ACTION-136 -- Glenn Adams to integrate changes from
Action-133 into the TTML 1.0 Second Edition -- due 2013-01-14
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[30]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/136
[30] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/136
close ACTION-136
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-136 Integrate changes from Action-133
into the TTML 1.0 Second Edition.
plh: can you initiate the IANA Media Type registration process
for TTML10SE (ACTION-88)?
... it would be useful to do this as part of the PER review
period, in case they wish to propose changes in Appendix C
action Sean to follow up with plh on ACTION-88
<trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Follow up with plh on ACTION-88
[on Sean Hayes - due 2013-07-25].
ACTION-140?
<trackbot> ACTION-140 -- Glenn Adams to implement proposal
Method#1 in TTML 1.0 SE and this resolves any blocking change
in SDP-US. -- due 2013-02-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[31]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/140
[31] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/140
close ACTION-140
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-140 Implement proposal Method#1 in
TTML 1.0 SE and this resolves any blocking change in SDP-US..
ACTION-142?
<trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Glenn Adams to remove the text from
the specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas.
-- due 2013-02-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/142
[32] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/142
close ACTION-142
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-142 Remove the text from the
specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas..
ACTION-146?
<trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Glenn Adams to add prohibited value
for feature definitions -- due 2013-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[33]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/146
[33] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/146
close ACTION-146
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-146 add prohibited value for feature
definitions.
ACTION-148?
<trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Glenn Adams to clarify cell units as
Sean specified in TTWG Meeting Feb 21. -- due 2013-02-28 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[34]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/148
[34] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/148
close ACTION-148
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-148 Clarify cell units as Sean
specified in TTWG Meeting Feb 21..
ACTION-152?
<trackbot> ACTION-152 -- Glenn Adams to add set element
semantics to 9.3.3 -- due 2013-04-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[35]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/152
[35] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/152
close ACTION-133
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-133 Create updated template and
summary of media type record for Glenn..
close ACTION-152
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-152 Add set element semantics to
9.3.3.
ACTION-155?
<trackbot> ACTION-155 -- Glenn Adams to add note under
textOutline indicating that length is interpreted only along
bpd -- due 2013-05-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[36]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/155
[36] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/155
close ACTION-155
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-155 Add note under textOutline
indicating that length is interpreted only along bpd.
ACTION-157?
<trackbot> ACTION-157 -- Glenn Adams to restore dedication
sentence in acknowledgments section -- due 2013-05-09 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[37]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/157
[37] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/157
close ACTION-157
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-157 Restore dedication sentence in
acknowledgments section.
ACTION-160?
<trackbot> ACTION-160 -- Glenn Adams to check 10REC errata to
make sure addressed -- due 2013-05-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[38]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/160
[38] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/160
<plh> glenn, I did initiate the media type registration last
week
close ACTION-160
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-160 Check 10REC errata to make sure
addressed.
<plh> I even gave the link to the status page
plh: ok, thanks
<plh> welcome
ACTION-161?
<trackbot> ACTION-161 -- Glenn Adams to update change log
document for SE changes -- due 2013-05-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[39]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/161
[39] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/161
Action glenn to ensure that 10REC errata page is cleared after
10SE is published as REC.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - Ensure that 10REC errata page
is cleared after 10SE is published as REC. [on Glenn Adams -
due 2013-07-25].
close ACTION-161
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-161 Update change log document for SE
changes.
ACTION-162?
<trackbot> ACTION-162 -- Glenn Adams to fix XML Doc problem
with superfluous anchor elements -- due 2013-05-16 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[40]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/162
[40] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/162
close ACTION-162
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-162 Fix XML Doc problem with
superfluous anchor elements.
ACTION-170?
<trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Glenn Adams to create issue to remove
"(in pixels)" from new definition of computed cell size -- due
2013-07-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[41]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/170
[41] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/170
glenn: re: ACTION-170, the proposed change was effected in the
10SE ED, so no need to create an issue, action can be closed
close ACTION-170
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-170 Create issue to remove "(in
pixels)" from new definition of computed cell size.
ACTION-171?
<trackbot> ACTION-171 -- Glenn Adams to add note to PER in
9.1.2 that regions may appear outside root container region --
due 2013-07-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[42]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/171
[42] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/171
close ACTION-171
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-171 Add note to PER in 9.1.2 that
regions may appear outside root container region.
ACTION-175?
<trackbot> ACTION-175 -- Glenn Adams to create new issue to
cover third paragraph in original ISSUE-180 text -- due
2013-07-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[43]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/175
[43] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/175
close ACTION-175
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-175 Create new issue to cover third
paragraph in original ISSUE-180 text.
Active Change Proposals
glenn: during process of incorporating CPs into spec, expects
to make technical changes as required
... subject to discussion and review by WG once drafted
[44]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002
[44] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002
mike: asks about 'holes' w anonymous regions
glenn: intends to express CP2 in terms of using anonymous
regions that most cleanly integrate into the current algorithms
defined in 8.4 Style Resolution and 9.3 Region Layout and
Presentation
... the goal in my mind for using anonymous regions is to
support CP2 while making the fewest substantive changes to 8.4
and 9.3
RESOLVE: implement CP2 in 1.1 ED mutatis mutandis
[45]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal005
[45] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal005
RESOLVE: implement CP5 in 1.1 ED mutatis mutandis
<Sean> Pierre to draft some introductory text
Action pal to draft prologue text treating differences between
having two normative rendering models.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Draft prologue text treating
differences between having two normative rendering models. [on
Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-07-25].
[46]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal006
[46] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal006
RESOLUTION: to create separate spec for TTML APIs
<pal> proposed text for ACTION-181: """In addition to
describing the semantics of TTML style presentation in terms of
the model in [XSL 1.1], this specification provides a mapping
of TTML documents to [HTML 5]. The two representations ([XSL
1.1] and [HTML 5]) of a given document are intended to be
visually equivalent unless otherwise noted."""
RESOLUTION: for sean to be the initial editor of this new TTML
APIs spec
close ACTION-181
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-181 Draft prologue text treating
differences between having two normative rendering models..
RESOLVE: implement CP6 in new TTML APIs spec
<Sean> [47]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
[47] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
sean: CP15 aggregates a number of proposed style additions
glenn: notes that margin may not work on inlines
... suggests border apply to content elements as well
... for line stacking strategy, need to review what semantics
CSS provides in this area
... for region anchor points, not sure want to overload
origin/extent
sean: TTML should support all of t,l,r,b and w/h independently,
dealing with over/under constraints as needed
glenn: thinks we should retain textOutline, mapping to CSS
text-shadow, then we also add textShadow
... notes that <set tts:extent/> on region could also be used
instead of "auto" shrink fit
RESOLVE: implement CP15 in 1.1ED mutatis mutandis
Version # for TTML.next
glenn: 2[.0] or 1.1?
pal: 2 may cause some readers to believe there are non-backward
compatible changes
mike: .X doesn't have defined semantics, likes whole integers
sean: 1.1 already in place, and some potential expectations to
produce a small increment (more quickly) and a larger increment
(less quickly)
... can defer this decision, at least up to FPWD time
[48]http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-201
30607/#bib-TTML2
[48] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/#bib-TTML2
RESOLVE: use TTML2 (not 2.0)
glenn: propose "ttml2"
RESOLVE: request "ttml2" short name
tmichel: agrees that ttml2 short name is good, and can set up
link to current 1.0 using a ttml1 short name
Action tmichel to create ttml2 and ttml1 short names, to change
tracker product labels as needed
<trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Create ttml2 and ttml1 short
names, to change tracker product labels as needed [on Thierry
Michel - due 2013-07-25].
Member Submission from Movie Labs
pal: notes submission at
[49]http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-201
30607/
[49] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/
sean: will add this to next week's agenda
TPAC
sean: folks should register
pal: would like to focus work on Monday at TPAC since Tuesday
overlaps with Web&TV IG
<Sean> action, sean t o work with philippe on tpac schedule
Action sean to work with plh on TPAC schedule.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Work with plh on TPAC schedule.
[on Sean Hayes - due 2013-07-25].
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items
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