- From: Monica Martin (MS OPEN TECH) <momartin@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 22:26:35 +0000
- To: "'public-tt@w3.org'" <public-tt@w3.org>
See: http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-tt-minutes.html
http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-tt-minutes.html,text
Thanks to Philippe for the assistance - IRC was cranky again today.
[1]W3C
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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
07 Feb 2013
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Attendees
Present
sean, +41.22.717.aaaa, mike, mmartin3, pal,
Frans_deJong_EBU_, +1.617.347.aabb, Plh,
+1.408.515.aacc, +1.617.347.aadd, mjordan
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
mmartin3
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Issues
* [5]Summary of Action Items
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<Sean> just sent.
<trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
Chair
Sean Hayes
<scribe> scribenick: mmartin3
<Sean> I havent prepared much for today
<Sean> but I want to try and get a handle on what is
outstanding to complete the SE
Regrets Glenn Adams
sean: No agenda. In between work items.
... SDP-US published [6]http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
... TTML 1.0 SE draft published
... Quantify TTML 1.0.
... 1.0 issues to address in 1.1.
[6] http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
Issues
Issue-156?
<trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open
<trackbot>
[7]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
[7] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
mike: Should we discuss if #profile is author or for decoder?
sean: Player is a known feature but wasn't originally
envisioned.
... Include in TTML 1.1.
mike: Not an authoring profile but a directive to the processor
to reject the document if features aren't supported.
mmartin3: Glenn's proposal Actiion 53.
[8]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/53
[8] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/53
mike: Address in 1.1 agreed.
mmartin3: [9]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/81b0eec0faae Draft
Glenn posted.
[9] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/81b0eec0faae
sean: Issue-156 is TTML 1.0.. Label as such.
... Issue-156 is in progress and close Feb 14.
Issue-157?
<trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open
<trackbot>
[10]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
[10] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
mike: Defer to TTMl 1.1.
sean: Agreed.
... Issue-157 is TTML 1.1.
pal: Aspect ratio discussion?
sean: Get Netflix to join the meeting.
mmartin: aacc is David Ronca for Netflix
sean: Defer Issue-157 to Feb 14.
Issue-162?
<trackbot> ISSUE-162 -- profile discrepancy -- open
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162
mike: Could handle in SE.
sean: Agree. Address Issue-162 in TTML 1.0 SE.
... Can you identify the discrepancies in profile definiton in
TTML 1.0?
mike: My questions were with the full dxfp.
sean: Discuss Feb 14.
Action Sean Call for Action to identify discrepancies in TTML
1.0 on different profiles.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Call for Action to identify
discrepancies in TTML 1.0 on different profiles. [on Sean Hayes
- due 2013-02-14].
Issue-163?
<trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Clarify use of cell units in certain
properties -- open
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/163
[12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/163
sean: Some properties need clarification on what direction they
are working in.
... Will work on to place on agenda for Feb 14.
Issue-166?
<trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- authoritative schemaLocation for
authoritative schemas like TTML -- open
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/166
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/166
sean: Where schemas live.
... PLH was is the common practice to reference schemas?
... Which is definitive one?
plh: Make them informative outside of the specification to
allow them to exist in one place and maintain.
... Changing practices over the years.
... Easier to maintain.
sean: Remove from SE and then point to schemas.
... Open .xsd that can be referenced from tools.
mike: Current annexes with schemas are normative.
sean: Normative prose not XML.
... Don't preempt the text.
plh: We're not changing an implementation or the semantics.
mike: What about the multiple files that exist for TTML?
... Common location for .zip
plh: Remove the text from the specification and PLH to provide
location of the schemas.
Resolved to remove the text from the specification and PLH to
provide location of the schemas for TTML 1.0 SE.
Action Glenn Remove the text from the specification and PLH to
provide location of the schemas.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Remove the text from the
specification and PLH to provide location of the schemas. [on
Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
Action PLH to Provide location to Glenn for unwrapped schemas.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Provide location to Glenn for
unwrapped schemas. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-02-14].
Issue-168?
<trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements --
open
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
sean: This should be against TTML 1.1.
mmartin3: Done.
... TTML.next.
Issue-170?
<trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- Section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding
optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is
negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' -- open
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/170
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/170
sean: Issue indicates Glenn added text to TTML 1.0 SE.
<scribe> ...In progress.
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: Address Feb 14 if Glenn is present.
Issue-172?
<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- REGION-OF(E) pseudo-code doesn't match
prose -- open
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/172
[16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/172
sean: Glenn is working on that one. Defer. TTML 1.0 SE scope.
mike: Issue-171?
mmartin3: Glenn did post in Sept 2012:
[17]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
[17] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
Issue-171?
<trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- need to clarify meaning of "prune" in
9.3.2 -- pending review
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/171
[18] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/171
sean: Sean reads the text that Glenn proposed:
[19]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
... Reasonable.
[19] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542
mike: Agreed.
<scribe> Closed Issue-171 based on Glenn's text and integrate
into TTML 1.0 SE:
[20]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542.
[20] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/94e02f131542.
Issue-173?
<trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control
characters and other unmapped characters -- open
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
[21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
sean: Defer to TTML 1.1.
Issue-175?
<trackbot> ISSUE-175 -- media type and file extension not
registered -- open
<trackbot>
[22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/175
[22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/175
mike: Provided text in Dec 2012. Glenn rejected the text last
week.
sean: Will review comments from Glenn.
... TTML 1.0 SE.
Issue-178?
<trackbot> ISSUE-178 -- initial values and style set
calculations are unclear, especially for transformable
attributes -- open
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178
[23] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178
mike: 8.4 doesn't handle initial values for attributes.
sean: Glenn is aware of the problem.
Action Glenn Respond to Issue-178 from Dolan.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Respond to Issue-178 from
Dolan. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-14].
Issue-179?
<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- open
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179
[24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179
sean: Propose to add to discussion Feb 14. Action to me to
propose revisions.
Issue-180?
<trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- regions relative to the root container
-- open
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180
[25] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180
mike: Glenn felt strongly about leaving it unconstrained but
addressed in SDP-US.
... Negative extents?
sean: May be more than one interpretation on the semantics.
... Not constrain TTML.
mike: Wouldn't know what to do with negative extents.
sean: Position above the video and dependent on display
processor if it is clipped.
... Say negative extents don't mean anything. Should we
prohibit?
... Ask Glenn to clarify if negative extents remain.
... Make non-negative integer.
Action Glenn to identify if he would support a negative extent
based on discussion to Issue-180?
<trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Identify if he would support a
negative extent based on discussion to Issue-180? [on Glenn
Adams - due 2013-02-14].
mmartin3: Issue indicates we would clarify in TTML 1.0 SE and
address more substantively in TTML 1.1.
mike: Need to resolve negative extent.
sean: Moving the region off the root container should be fine.
Negative extent is not well defined however.
... Could handle if XSL-FO handles this.
... No other issues for today.
... No other business.
... Traveling for a couple of weeks. Interim chair?
... Adjourn.
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items
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