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RE: ISSUE-194: root container needs better definition [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions]

From: Michael Dolan <mdolan@newtbt.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:08:10 -0700
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Nope.  SDP-US.  The root container is (intentionally) not defined in TTML. If you don't define it in SDP-US, there is no interoperability on registration with the accompanying video.  SDP-US must say roughly what I propose or it will be broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Martin (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:momartin@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:53 AM
To: Michael A Dolan (mdolan@newtbt.com); Sean Hayes; 'public-tt@w3.org'
Subject: RE: ISSUE-194: root container needs better definition [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions]

In TTWG Oct 25, Mike, wasn't this question actually one for TTML 1.0? [1] The external context only defines the extent and origin only if not.[2]

Monica

[1] Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-tt-minutes.html
[2] Section 8.2.7 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-ttaf1-dfxp-20101118/#style-attribute-extent and 8.2.14 http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-ttaf1-dfxp-20101118/#style-attribute-origin 

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Subject: ISSUE-194: root container needs better definition [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions]

ISSUE-194: root container needs better definition [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions]

http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194

Raised by: Mike Dolan
On product: Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions

TTML defers the definition of the root container to the application.  SDP-US is silent.  For US captions, the root container must be registered with the related video. By remainig silent, then for example, one implementation could set the origin in the center of the video, or off-screen; or set the extent wildly off-screen. That would not have the a presentation result that meets the intent of this profile. So, we need to define the root contaner in terms of the related coded video (not the physical display which would be unknown to the author). A potential resolution would be to add something of the form: "The root container origin shall be the upper left corner of the related video coding; and the extent shall be the lower right corner."
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