- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:51:06 -0600
- To: Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>
- Cc: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CACQ=j+f-PDJ2CLYNZN-sEsMr29ZqyE_LXzu6um8sU9AdcEDOzg@mail.gmail.com>
Draft minutes at http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-tt-minutes.html. Text version follows: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 31 May 2012 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012May/0030.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-tt-irc Attendees Present glenn, +44.154.558.aaaa (sean), +49.893.aabb (andreas), sean, andreas, mike, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.617.300.aacc (geoff) Regrets Chair sean Scribe glenn Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]ISSUE-154 2. [6]ISSUE-151 3. [7]CP 001 - add animation to region, multiple elements for single set, can reference style block, allow target for another element 4. [8]CP 002 - Adding origin/extent to block level elements 5. [9]Review Open Actions 6. [10]Adjournment * [11]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2012 <scribe> Scribe: glenn ISSUE-154 ISSUE-154? <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154 [12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154 sean: with default endsync of last, then parent will finish immediately if no child is activated resolved: change default for endsync to all, to go into 2nd edition glenn: wonders if this is a substantial change and will be an issue or not sean: thinks current text is broken, and this is reasonable change ISSUE-151 ISSUE-151? <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Clarify syncbase in SMPTE continuous mode -- open <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151 [13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151 glenn: under 10.4, need to break out smpte/continuous to separate bullet andreas: wanted clarification (if needed) that in smpte/continuous, ... a child's begin (in par context), if expressed as time code, should it be with respect to parent or as marker matching? ... regarding time offset expressions, don't think they are currently admitted even for smpte/continuous mode glenn: don't believe that was the intention, so need to double check this sean: agrees mike: spec needs to make clear that smpte time base (whether continuous/discontinuous) needs an external time base ... so may need to add note/text making it clear ... also possibly needs language making definition of epoch clear sean: for 2nd Ed, thinks we should retain distinction continuous/discontinuous, but may be able to remove in 1.1 if we agree to do so glenn: needs to review text to verify whether time offsets are permitted in smpte/continuous, and if not clear, then should add clarifying text mike: there was an issue about default value of markerMode... ... concern is that if an implementation is constrained to support discontinuous only, then content will need to be explicit sean: perhaps we should mandate explicit setting of markerMode in case timeBase is smpte andreas: problems came from confusion of readers mike: forces EBU to use attribute in authoring, but doesn't really want to specify andreas: wants smpte time base to work without having to specify marker mode, since discontinuous seems to be common assumption as default sean: would be happy to accept change glenn: if we change endsync default, then we could change this as well sean: plh will need to make decision ... thinks both changes (to endsync and markerMode defaults) is correcting errors in spec mike: perhaps we should reach out to users/authors to gauge response ... cpc, bbc, ... ... iplayer group at bbc is using sean: will attempt to reach out to community mike: will give us more clear indication ACTION sean to reach out to community to gauge response to a possible change in default behavior for endsync and markerMode <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Reach out to community to gauge response to a possible change in default behavior for endsync and markerMode [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-06-07]. sean: expect to make these changes (to default of endsync and markerMode) if there are no objections CP 001 - add animation to region, multiple elements for single set, can reference style block, allow target for another element [14]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 [14] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 resolved: to accept CP 001 CP 002 - Adding origin/extent to block level elements [15]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 [15] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 sean: implementations have supported this on incorrect reading of text ... would need to be done in 1.1 ... improves locality of reference, since reduces need to pre-declare regions glenn: has thought about this, and believes a simple mechanism could be defined based on anonymous regions sean: take a look at current CP and update/add mike: wonders about how to apply changes to anonymous region properties, should assist with 708 mapping glenn: should be able to animate (via set) the anonymous region properties by referring to block element itself sean: group should review CP 002 Review Open Actions ACTION-62? <trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Glenn Adams to search TT member archives for reference to video showing smooth scrolling -- due 2012-04-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/62 [16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/62 mike: who/why was this requested? sean: sees that plh has already found the correct reference [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155. html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.html mike: thinks adding an animation to do smooth scroll would not be a good technical solution sean: could put in note indicating that reflow should attempt to move content in a smooth fashion mike: could consider referring to paragraph/text in 608 that would help define semantics ACTION mike to provide reference to 608/708 that defines/clarifies semantics of smooth flowing/scrolling <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mike ACTION sean to work with mike to provide reference to 608/708 that defines/clarifies semantics of smooth flowing/scrolling <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Work with mike to provide reference to 608/708 that defines/clarifies semantics of smooth flowing/scrolling [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-06-07]. Adjournment sean: adjourned trackbot, end meeting Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [18]scribe.perl version 1.136 ( [19]CVS log) $Date: 2012/05/31 14:59:53 $ __________________________________________________________ [18] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [19] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.136 of Date: 2011/05/12 12:01:43 Check for newer version at [20]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ [20] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Found Scribe: glenn Inferring ScribeNick: glenn Default Present: glenn, +44.154.558.aaaa, +49.893.aabb, sean, andreas, mike, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.617.300.aacc Present: glenn +44.154.558.aaaa +49.893.aabb sean andreas mike Andrew_K irkpatrick +1.617.300.aacc Agenda: [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012May/0030.html Found Date: 31 May 2012 Guessing minutes URL: [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-tt-minutes.html People with action items: [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012May/0030.html [22] http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-tt-minutes.html End of [23]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [23] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>wrote: > Because our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the > correct time of this teleconference in > your locale may change. Please check > > http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=31&year=2012&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=43 > > Thursdays 15:00-15:00 UTC (10:00am-11:00am Boston local) > Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 8865 ("TTML") > IRC: server: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #tt > Web gateway to :http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc > > Agenda > > Chair: Sean Hayes > > Agenda+ Assign Scribe > > Agenda+ Decision on issue 154 (endsync all) > > Agenda+ Update on issue 151 (syncbase on smpte/continuous) > > Agenda+ Decision on Change Proposal 001 (updates to <set> element) > > Agenda+ introduction/Discussion on Change Proposal 002 (origin and extent > on block elements) > > Agenda+ review open actions > > Links to Key Documents > > [1] Draft Charter at http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html > [2] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 > [2] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 > [3] TTML Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText > > Reference > > Tracker (Issues and Actions): http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker > > > >
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