- From: Michael A Dolan <mdolan@newtbt.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:53:28 -0700
- To: <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <036001cd1cec$ef36fbb0$cda4f310$@newtbt.com>
A correction to the minutes regarding:
... (2) a study activity is underway in SMPTE to map TTML into
MPEG-4 containers
... expects some input after May 4
Should read: “ a study activity is underway in MPEG to map TTML and SMPTE-TT into MP4 containers…”
Regards,
Mike
From: Glenn Adams [mailto:glenn@skynav.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:04 AM
To: Sean Hayes
Cc: public-tt@w3.org
Subject: {minutes} TTML Agenda for 12/4/12
See http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
12 Apr 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Apr/0006.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
glenn, +44.154.558.aaaa, Sean, +1.858.847.aabb, mike,
Plh, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
Regrets
geoff
Chair
sean
Scribe
glenn
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Charter update (plh)
2. [6]SMPTE, etc
3. [7]Open Actions
4. [8]Open Issues
5. [9]Adjournment
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 12 April 2012
<scribe> Scribe: glenn
Charter update (plh)
<plh> action-44?
<trackbot> ACTION-44 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to put in place a
new errata and ask plh to set up the redirect to it -- due
2012-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/44
<plh> close action-44
<trackbot> ACTION-44 Put in place a new errata and ask plh to
set up the redirect to it closed
plh: charter went to members for review
... no formal feedback so far
... some informal feedback about difference between ttml and
webvtt
<plh> [12]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/timed-text-wg-charter.html
<plh> "In the process of producing this new revision, the Group
MAY:"
plh: some comments have asked about use of 'MAY'
sean: the 'WILL' is for deliverables, the 'MAY' indicates
optionality
glenn: could make item (1) and item (3) under TTML1.0/1.1
deliverables as 'WILL', but others probably should remain
optional
sean: item (2) under TTML1.0 {TV compatible online captioning
profile} may end up being a tech report/note
plh: suggests AWK to discuss with Carl (Carlgill) possible
liaison issues (with WebVTT CG)
SMPTE, etc
mike: (1) does not necessarily have support for work
... (2) a study activity is underway in SMPTE to map TTML into
MPEG-4 containers
... expects some input after May 4
Open Actions
ACTION-55?
<trackbot> ACTION-55 -- Glenn Adams to work with plh to create
accessible schema -- due 2012-04-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/55
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/55
plh: doesn't see any issue with doing this
... but can't place this inside TR space
<plh> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd
glenn: may end up with multiple XSD files since we have
multiple namespaces for which xsd is defined
mike: notes that current TTML schema includes copy of xml.xsd
schema
ACTION plh to determine official location for xml.xsd schema
<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Determine official location for
xml.xsd schema [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2012-04-19].
ISSUE-151?
<trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Clarify syncbase in SMPTE continuous
mode -- open
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/151
ACTION plh to request shortname ttml11 prior to FPWD on TTML1.1
<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Request shortname ttml11 prior
to FPWD on TTML1.1 [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2012-04-19].
ACTION-57?
<trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Glenn Adams to populate a ttml11
directory for authoring v.next, referring to existing ttml10
materials in way that best supports synchronization with
changes in ttml10 -- due 2012-04-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/57
[16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/57
close ACTION-57
<trackbot> ACTION-57 Populate a ttml11 directory for authoring
v.next, referring to existing ttml10 materials in way that best
supports synchronization with changes in ttml10 closed
ACTION-52?
<trackbot> ACTION-52 -- Sean Hayes to draft CP for resolving
ISSUE-154 -- due 2012-03-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/52
[17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/52
ISSUE-154?
<trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- Clarify the endsync behavior -- open
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154
[18] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/154
<AWK> [19]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
[19] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
ISSUE-72?
<trackbot> ISSUE-72 -- Smooth scrolling by means of reference
area offset -- open
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
[20] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
mike: suggests mimic of 708 attributes
sean: can't find references
mike: for smooth scrolling, have to go back further
sean: what should this look like?
glenn: thinks that WGHB had provided a video in the past
... might be in the TT member archives
sean: wonders if mike can take an action on this
ACTION glenn to search TT member archives for reference to
video showing smooth scrolling
<trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Search TT member archives for
reference to video showing smooth scrolling [on Glenn Adams -
due 2012-04-19].
ACTION-62: to defer to mike if unable to find
<trackbot> ACTION-62 Search TT member archives for reference to
video showing smooth scrolling notes added
Open Issues
ISSUE-158?
<trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- background images -- open
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/158
[21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/158
mike: SMPTE-TT defines an element and a couple of attrs to
create an inline image and reference either inline or external
image
... only format is image/png
... inline encoding allows inline coding of image/png
... on a div element, can put a reference to a background image
that has a URI referring to background image for div
... used for long form content, especially for non-English
content
<plh> -->
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.
html roll-up examples
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.html
mike: also used for refined placement of image based glyphs
(rather than relying upon builtin fonts)
... semantics of what happens when both image and text content
are provide may need more work
<plh> ACTION-62: see
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.
html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2008Dec/0155.html
<trackbot> ACTION-62 Search TT member archives for reference to
video showing smooth scrolling notes added
sean: should this be adopted into TTML11 NS?
mike: points out that can't use both in ultraviolet, must
choose image or text content
sean: suggests mike write a CP
... or sean could take this as action
mike: notes that smpte specs are public
<plh> -->
[24]http://store.smpte.org/product-p/st%202052-1-2010.htm
SMPTE-TT
[24] http://store.smpte.org/product-p/st%202052-1-2010.htm
sean: wonders what smpte position would be?
mike: would have to go back to smpte, but probably no issue
plh: provides pointer
ISSUE-158: solicit CP
<trackbot> ISSUE-158 background images notes added
<mike> smpte-tt schema -
[25]http://www.smpte-ra.org/schemas/2052-1/2010/smpte-tt.xsd
[25] http://www.smpte-ra.org/schemas/2052-1/2010/smpte-tt.xsd
ACTION sean to issue a call for CPs on ISSUE-158
<trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Issue a call for CPs on
ISSUE-158 [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-19].
<plh> ACTION: plh to investigate why TT WG can't postpone
issues [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Investigate why TT WG can't
postpone issues [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2012-04-19].
ISSUE-138?
<trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- Standard extension to support W3C ruby
markup -- open
<trackbot>
[27]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/138
[27] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/138
sean: can do manually, but currently no language support for
ruby
... there are existing solutions in W3C for markup of ruby
... should we take a style driven approach or a markup
approach?
... could use role to add one level of markup
e.g., <span role='rb'>
scribe: don't want to reinvent the wheel here
... suggest a combination of use of style and role may be best
approach
... more future proof
<scribe> ACTION: sean to issue call for CPs on ISSUE-138,
suggesting approach based on combination of style and role
[recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Issue call for CPs on ISSUE-138,
suggesting approach based on combination of style and role [on
Sean Hayes - due 2012-04-19].
plh: worried about I18N folks complaining about doing something
different
sean: worried about introducing specialized markup
<mike> need to drop. until next week...
sean: notes it can be done today in ttml with foreign namespace
plh: worried that role sounds like a hack
Adjournment
adjourned
plh: regrets for next week
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: plh to investigate why TT WG can't postpone
issues [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: sean to issue call for CPs on ISSUE-138,
suggesting approach based on combination of style and role
[recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tt-minutes.html#action02]
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[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Apr/0006.html
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