- From: John Birch <john.birch@screen.subtitling.com>
- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:36:14 +0100
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Thanks for the minutes, One implementation of a subset of DFXP that may have slipped the net.... CCFORFLASH.... Regards, John Birch. Sent by Blackberry John Birch | Screen Subtitling Systems Ltd | Strategic Partnerships Manager Main Line : +44 (0)1473 831700 | Ext : 270 | Office : Mobile: +44 (0)7919 558380 | Fax: +44 (0)1473 830078 john.birch@screen.subtitling.com | www.screen.subtitling.com The Old Rectory, Claydon Curch Lane, Claydon,Ipswich,IP6 0EQ,United Kingdom See us at IBC 2008, RAI Amsterdam - 12th - 16th September Stand 1.C49 Before Printing, think about the environment ----- Original Message ----- From: public-tt-request@w3.org <public-tt-request@w3.org> To: public-tt@w3.org <public-tt@w3.org> Sent: Fri Sep 12 16:28:36 2008 Subject: [minutes] Timed Text Working Group - 2008-09-10 Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 10 Sep 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-irc Attendees Present Geoff, Sean, David, Glenn, Philippe Regrets Dick Chair David Scribe plh Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Introduction 2. [5]Scribe 3. [6]Next meeting 4. [7]Resources 5. [8]Editing 6. [9]WG schedule 7. [10]Face-to-face meetings 8. [11]Initial work * [12]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Introduction [going around the table] <scribe> ACTION: Philippe to contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. Scribe Next scribe will be Geoff Next meeting David: next week, same day, same time Glen: I'm in GMT+8 ... 7AM or 8AM in Boston would be better for me Goeff: I could do 7AM, but 7:30AM Philippe: can't do 8AM on Wednesdays ... but could on Fridays, 9AM Resolution: Friday, 9AM US/Eastern <scribe> ACTION: Philippe to book the Zakim bridge [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Book the Zakim bridge [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. Resources [15]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/34314/status [15] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/34314/status Philippe: WGBH, Microsoft, BBC need to rejoin the Group Geoff: screen subtitling: might want to have John Birch as invited expert Philippe: what about IP? Glenn: they had no knowledge in the past, and they can provide a letter Philippe: sounds ok to me then David: EBU (Franz De Jong) was also involved in the past Sean: also been active in SMPTE as well <scribe> ACTION: Philippe to follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. <scribe> ACTION: Philippe to follow up with Screen Subtitling [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Follow up with Screen Subtitling [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. Editing Philippe and Glen should sync up Glen will remain as editor WG schedule David: tight schedule! Face-to-face meetings Sean: unless we have a huge influx of new people, we don't really need one. Maybe after Last Call. Initial work David: Goeff, any thoughts about the dynamic flow processing? Geoff: I do, but need to post on the list <scribe> ACTION: Geoff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action05] Glenn: we spent time defining set of features. If we can agree on those sets, we can document that for a presentation processor ... we can include an other profile that includes all of the features ... we can also list the requirements for processors ... don't try to remove features from the spec but instead keep them and classify them into compliance mode Philippe: we ought to remove features that are not implemented Glenn: some features were adopted from CSS and XSL, like bidi ... not of the existing processors support those ... but there are many other types of processors that implement those ... in the general case, there are implementations of those features ... what is the goal? Philippe: implementation status of DFXP David: there is also a role as an interchange format ... we need to be clear on what it mean to be an implementation Glenn: we can easily transform all the features in a target format ... but it may be difficult to produce a presentation processor for all of them Philippe: agreed, we'll need to match our implementation requirements with our compliance mode(s). David: indeed, the presentation role will include a subset of the features Glenn: there are many specifications that do not have presentation processors. ... conformance requirements for Unicode, but not requirements for Unicode to have all characters being displayed. ... for features that we identify as information interchange, we define them in semantic terms and we transform those into alternative representations David: I wonder if we can use the CSS test suite... Geoff: is the requirement is "to be transformed" or "to be transformed and displayed"? Glenn: HTML if you recall does not define the rendering ... it would be a disservice to remove features just because we couldn't implement a presentator processor ... we need a good definition for features and implementations, make a compelling case for that, and act along those lines ... as long as the feature can be transformed semantically should be sufficient David: we need to check that the feature has been correctly transformed Sean: as homework, let's all take a look at the features and classify them "presentation" or "transformation" role Glenn: I did this in the past ... will dig this out ... the only feature I'm uncomfortable with is the dynamic flow text ... if we modify it, I could be more comfortable with it David: what implementations of DFXP do we have out there? ... Goeff Magpy, Microsoft work, BBC work, World Airline entertainment association?, ... Geoff: I'll put a list together for next week David: also one open source software seems to support DFXP Philippe: tests/test suite? Glenn: My previous company did put together a test suite in the past <scribe> ACTION: Glen to dig out the test suite/tests [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action07] [adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Geoff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Philippe to book the Zakim bridge [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Philippe to contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Philippe to follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Philippe to follow up with Screen Subtitling/John Birch [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Geoff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Glen to dig out the tests/test suite [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action07] [End of minutes] This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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