- From: John Birch <john.birch@screen.subtitling.com>
- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:36:14 +0100
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Thanks for the minutes,
One implementation of a subset of DFXP that may have slipped the net.... CCFORFLASH....
Regards,
John Birch.
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Subject: [minutes] Timed Text Working Group - 2008-09-10
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
10 Sep 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
Geoff, Sean, David, Glenn, Philippe
Regrets
Dick
Chair
David
Scribe
plh
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Introduction
2. [5]Scribe
3. [6]Next meeting
4. [7]Resources
5. [8]Editing
6. [9]WG schedule
7. [10]Face-to-face meetings
8. [11]Initial work
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Introduction
[going around the table]
<scribe> ACTION: Philippe to contact Adobe regarding their
participation in Timed Text [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Contact Adobe regarding their
participation in Timed Text [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due
2008-09-17].
Scribe
Next scribe will be Geoff
Next meeting
David: next week, same day, same time
Glen: I'm in GMT+8
... 7AM or 8AM in Boston would be better for me
Goeff: I could do 7AM, but 7:30AM
Philippe: can't do 8AM on Wednesdays
... but could on Fridays, 9AM
Resolution: Friday, 9AM US/Eastern
<scribe> ACTION: Philippe to book the Zakim bridge [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Book the Zakim bridge [on Philippe Le
Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
Resources
[15]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/34314/status
[15] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/34314/status
Philippe: WGBH, Microsoft, BBC need to rejoin the Group
Geoff: screen subtitling: might want to have John Birch as invited
expert
Philippe: what about IP?
Glenn: they had no knowledge in the past, and they can provide a
letter
Philippe: sounds ok to me then
David: EBU (Franz De Jong) was also involved in the past
Sean: also been active in SMPTE as well
<scribe> ACTION: Philippe to follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [on
Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
<scribe> ACTION: Philippe to follow up with Screen Subtitling
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Follow up with Screen Subtitling [on
Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17].
Editing
Philippe and Glen should sync up
Glen will remain as editor
WG schedule
David: tight schedule!
Face-to-face meetings
Sean: unless we have a huge influx of new people, we don't really
need one. Maybe after Last Call.
Initial work
David: Goeff, any thoughts about the dynamic flow processing?
Geoff: I do, but need to post on the list
<scribe> ACTION: Geoff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow
processing [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action05]
Glenn: we spent time defining set of features. If we can agree on
those sets, we can document that for a presentation processor
... we can include an other profile that includes all of the
features
... we can also list the requirements for processors
... don't try to remove features from the spec but instead keep them
and classify them into compliance mode
Philippe: we ought to remove features that are not implemented
Glenn: some features were adopted from CSS and XSL, like bidi
... not of the existing processors support those
... but there are many other types of processors that implement
those
... in the general case, there are implementations of those features
... what is the goal?
Philippe: implementation status of DFXP
David: there is also a role as an interchange format
... we need to be clear on what it mean to be an implementation
Glenn: we can easily transform all the features in a target format
... but it may be difficult to produce a presentation processor for
all of them
Philippe: agreed, we'll need to match our implementation
requirements with our compliance mode(s).
David: indeed, the presentation role will include a subset of the
features
Glenn: there are many specifications that do not have presentation
processors.
... conformance requirements for Unicode, but not requirements for
Unicode to have all characters being displayed.
... for features that we identify as information interchange, we
define them in semantic terms and we transform those into
alternative representations
David: I wonder if we can use the CSS test suite...
Geoff: is the requirement is "to be transformed" or "to be
transformed and displayed"?
Glenn: HTML if you recall does not define the rendering
... it would be a disservice to remove features just because we
couldn't implement a presentator processor
... we need a good definition for features and implementations, make
a compelling case for that, and act along those lines
... as long as the feature can be transformed semantically should be
sufficient
David: we need to check that the feature has been correctly
transformed
Sean: as homework, let's all take a look at the features and
classify them "presentation" or "transformation" role
Glenn: I did this in the past
... will dig this out
... the only feature I'm uncomfortable with is the dynamic flow text
... if we modify it, I could be more comfortable with it
David: what implementations of DFXP do we have out there?
... Goeff Magpy, Microsoft work, BBC work, World Airline
entertainment association?, ...
Geoff: I'll put a list together for next week
David: also one open source software seems to support DFXP
Philippe: tests/test suite?
Glenn: My previous company did put together a test suite in the past
<scribe> ACTION: Glen to dig out the test suite/tests [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action07]
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Geoff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow
processing [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to book the Zakim bridge [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to contact Adobe regarding their
participation in Timed Text [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [recorded
in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to follow up with Screen Subtitling/John
Birch [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Geoff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow
processing [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Glen to dig out the tests/test suite [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html#action07]
[End of minutes]
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