RE: Indirect DNT Processing (Proposed)

Disagree - any new standard should respect the marketplace that it expects to adopt it.  If we force considerable changes in the current ad ecosystem you won't have any adoption (meet in the middle versus force all in one direction).

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van Eijk [mailto:rob@blaeu.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:44 AM
To: Shane M Wiley
Cc: TOUBIANA Vincent; Tracking Protection Working Group
Subject: RE: Indirect DNT Processing (Proposed)

 From what I understand, the URL is an optional field in Bid Requests in most RTB-protocols. In my view RTB-protocols should innovate to adapt to DNT, not the other way around.
Rob

Shane M Wiley schreef op 2014-10-24 00:33:
> Vincent,
> 
> Some bidders may only be contextually targeting information (not 
> cross-site or "different context") and will need to the URL to 
> determine content on the page.
> 
> - Shane
> 
> FROM: TOUBIANA Vincent [mailto:vtoubiana@cnil.fr]
>  SENT: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:26 PM
>  TO: Shane M Wiley; Tracking Protection Working Group
>  SUBJECT: RE: Indirect DNT Processing (Proposed)
> 
> Shane,
> 
>  My idea was to keep it as a one step process where the bid request 
> would only contain the UID and only the win notice would contain the 
> URL. I still don't understand how the ADX can broadcast (URL,UDI) in 
> the bid request without violating the "Third party compliance"
> requirement to not share data
> (http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-compliance

> .html#third-party-compliance [1]). Sending only the UID could solve 
> this problem.
> 
>  That being said, a two step process would actually work very well.
> Especially, if UGE status are directly reported in the "matching 
> tables" hosted by the ad-exchange; in that case the "additional step"
> would have no impact at all on the transaction latency.
> 
>  Vincent
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Shane M Wiley [mailto:wileys@yahoo-inc.com]
>  Sent: Thu 10/23/2014 8:23 PM
>  To: TOUBIANA Vincent; Tracking Protection Working Group
>  Subject: RE: Indirect DNT Processing (Proposed)
> 
>  Vincent,
> 
>  The Bid occurs in a single pass so all relevant information is passed 
> as part of the "offer to bid" transaction (URL, UID) the bidder would 
> then check their UGE records for that particular UID to then determine 
> if leveraging profile information would be possible in this 
> transaction. Attempting to make this a "two-step" process would slow 
> down the transaction too much in a world where Ad Exchanges already 
> struggle to meet SLAs with a single call structure.
> 
>  - Shane
> 
>  From: TOUBIANA Vincent [mailto:vtoubiana@cnil.fr]
>  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:29 AM
>  To: Shane M Wiley; Tracking Protection Working Group
>  Subject: RE: Indirect DNT Processing (Proposed)
> 
>  Shane,
> 
>  I have a clarifying question. In the precise case of RTB, when DNT is 
> set, is it possible to only include in the Bid Request information 
> about the user (i.e. the user id) but not about the current network 
> transaction (i.e. no information related to the visited website)? That 
> would allow website to check that they have a UGE before bidding, 
> information about the visited website would then be only transmitted 
> to the winning bidder.
> 
>  This option would still allow RTB to take place while preventing 
> information about a network transaction to be shared with third 
> parties.
> 
>  Vincent
> 
>  De : Shane M Wiley [mailto:wileys@yahoo-inc.com]  Envoyé : mercredi 
> 15 octobre 2014 17:33  À : 'Tracking Protection Working Group'
>  Objet : Indirect DNT Processing (Proposed)
> 
>  TPWG,
> 
>  I was asked to develop language for consideration of how to manage 
> DNT signals within Real-Time Bidding (RTB) environments such as an Ad 
> Exchange. I've up-leveled the concept to "Indirect DNT Processing" to 
> cover scenarios where a user's signal may move from a direct client 
> interaction to one between servers (server-to-server).
> 
>  [Normative]
>  For Servers in direct communication with the User Agent that then 
> communicate further with other parties within the same transaction but 
> outside direct communication with the User Agent, those Servers MUST 
> convey the current DNT flag relayed to their domain to those other 
> parties. In cases where other parties have recent knowledge of their 
> own domain's DNT flag or UGE MAY process the request leveraging that 
> information but MUST respond appropriately in the status response that 
> they have done so - which, in turn, MUST then be conveyed by the 
> Server to the User Agent.
> 
>  [Non-Normative]
>  This is intended to facilitate indirect communications through a 
> transitive passing of permission to allow for DNT processing to occur 
> even when a processor doesn't have direct access to the User Agent. If 
> the processor has direct information about their own domain's DNT 
> setting with the User Agent, such as their last direct interaction 
> with the User Agent, they may want to consider this in their 
> transaction handling.
> 
>  Question - While from a policy perspective the passage of the STATUS 
> RESPONSE value makes sense I'm not sure if this works as cleanly with 
> the current TPE handling of those statuses. Should we add a new 
> flag/field to state a response is being conveyed from another party as 
> to not confuse the User Agent into thinking the response is coming 
> from the server in which it is in direct communication?
> 
>  - Shane
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-compliance.

> html#third-party-compliance

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