Re: Consumer Watchdog Calls On Gov. Brown To Sign 'Do Not Track' Legislation, But Cautions Law Is Only A Step Towards Knowledge, Not Full Consumer Power

+1 to both of you.

Wow - when was the last time 3 people on this forum all agreed with each other so quickly.




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From: Craig Spiezle <craigs@otalliance.org<mailto:craigs@otalliance.org>>
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:31 AM
To: "'Dobbs, Brooks'" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com<mailto:Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com>>, "Peter J. Cranstone" <peter.cranstone@3pmobile.com<mailto:peter.cranstone@3pmobile.com>>, "ifette@google.com<mailto:ifette@google.com>" <ifette@google.com<mailto:ifette@google.com>>
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Subject: RE: Consumer Watchdog Calls On Gov. Brown To Sign 'Do Not Track' Legislation, But Cautions Law Is Only A Step Towards Knowledge, Not Full Consumer Power

This is my read.  It will be an opportunity for some publishers to make privacy (and the disclosure) part of the their value proposition and differentiation.   I also think that Peters assessment below is somewhat correct, we are finding both regulators (as well as technology solutions) have decided to lead frog the W3C.

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Subject: Re: Consumer Watchdog Calls On Gov. Brown To Sign 'Do Not Track' Legislation, But Cautions Law Is Only A Step Towards Knowledge, Not Full Consumer Power

Actually, unless I am really missing something here (possible) it expressly does NOT define DNT but rather requires the operator to disclose how they are interpreting it.  It would seemingly be okay for an operator to say, "when I see DNT:1 I send the data to /dev/null on even seconds and record it to granite on odd seconds".  It is the disclosure that is required not a specific compliance requirement.

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From: Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@3pmobile.com<mailto:peter.cranstone@3pmobile.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Consumer Watchdog Calls On Gov. Brown To Sign 'Do Not Track' Legislation, But Cautions Law Is Only A Step Towards Knowledge, Not Full Consumer Power
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A) Because they defined it
B) Because they're not waiting for the W3C anymore

As I've said before - DNT is already the defacto standard. When the vote is 78-0 it should tell you something, especially when those are politicians voting. The W3C just got moved to second place in the process. It shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone, Senator Rockefeller has told everyone that either you come up with something or he will - well CA just did. And all without one dissenting vote.

Shows you what can be done when there's a will to get it done.


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Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:03 AM
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Cc: Jonathan Mayer <jmayer@stanford.edu<mailto:jmayer@stanford.edu>>, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org<mailto:jeff@w3.org>>, Kevin Kiley <kevin.kiley@3pmobile.com<mailto:kevin.kiley@3pmobile.com>>, "public-tracking@w3.org<mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>" <public-tracking@w3.org<mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>>, "peter@peterswire.net<mailto:peter@peterswire.net>" <peter@peterswire.net<mailto:peter@peterswire.net>>, "rigo@w3.org<mailto:rigo@w3.org>" <rigo@w3.org<mailto:rigo@w3.org>>, "tlr@w3.org<mailto:tlr@w3.org>" <tlr@w3.org<mailto:tlr@w3.org>>, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org<mailto:joe@cdt.org>>
Subject: Re: Consumer Watchdog Calls On Gov. Brown To Sign 'Do Not Track' Legislation, But Cautions Law Is Only A Step Towards Knowledge, Not Full Consumer Power


How someone is supposed to declare that they comply with something we have been unable to define for years is beyond me...
On Aug 28, 2013 5:48 AM, "Peter Cranstone" <peter.cranstone@3pmobile.com<mailto:peter.cranstone@3pmobile.com>> wrote:
What's fascinating is that the moment an 'operator of a website or service' tries to comply with this law and they elect to say that they 'DO honor DNT: 1 headers from browsers'… that opens them up to a situation where they may, in fact, have to prove that to the California State Attorney General. The alternative is to go on the 'shame' list and say that you do NOT honor DNT signals.

Either way CA just essentially forced every web site to update their Privacy Policy's, and if they do support DNT then also open themselves up to proving that they do. Better Privacy through Transparency - and that's a good thing.


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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org<mailto:joe@cdt.org>>
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Consumer Watchdog Calls On Gov. Brown To Sign 'Do Not Track' Legislation, But Cautions Law Is Only A Step Towards Knowledge, Not Full Consumer Power

When folks take a minute to read the bill text, it's definitely better characterized as a "do not track transparency" bill:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml;jsessionid=4a3ff3d45dd6836ef40ab918b267

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On Aug 27, 2013, at 19:11, Kevin Kiley <kevin.kiley@3pmobile.com<mailto:kevin.kiley@3pmobile.com>> wrote:
>> http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/prnewswire/press_releases/California/2013/08/27/DC69861?r=full

>>
>> 71 - 0

That article actually misreports the final vote yesterday in the California Assembly.

It was actually 78-0 in favor of this "Do Not Track" legislation.

That makes all the floor votes on this "Do Not Track" Bill *unanimous* from
the first time it was voted on in the Assembly ( 73-0 ) to the recent Senate
floor vote ( 37-0 ) and now the final approval of amendments added by
the Senate by the originating house ( 78-0 ).

From 'soup to nuts'... every lawmaker has voted 'Yes' to this "Do Not Track"
legislation, and it is now on the Governor's desk ( and he has already said he
is ready to sign it into LAW ).

From the official legislation tracking site...

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_370&sess=CUR&house=A&search_type=bill_update


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DATE: 05/02/2013
LOCATION: ASSEMBLY - FLOOR
MOTION: AB 370 MURATSUCHI  Assembly Third Reading
(AYES: 73. NOES: 0. Absent, Vacancy, Abstaining or Not Voting: 7 )  (PASS)

DATE: 08/22/2013
LOCATION: SENATE - FLOOR
MOTION: Assembly 3rd Reading AB370 Muratsuchi By Padilla
(AYES  37. NOES: 0. Absent, Vacancy, Abstaining or Not Voting: 3 )  (PASS)

DATE: 08/26/2013
LOCATION: ASSEMBLY FLOOR
MOTION: AB 370 MURATSUCHI  Concurrence in Senate Amendments
(AYES  78. NOES: 0. Absent, Vacancy, Abstaining or Not Voting: 2 )  (PASS)

Bill sent to Governor for signature 08/26/13.

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