Re: Media Access (ACTION-197)

Shane,

I'd like to fully map out the zone of compromise before declaring an impasse.  I understand the concerns you and others have raised with unrestricted press access.  Could you please explain the realistic challenges you foresee with a no-direct-quotes policy and other compromise policies?

Thanks,
Jonathan



On Monday, May 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Shane Wiley wrote:

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> At this point it appears we have a large portion of the Working Group asking that we not move forward with press participation in meetings.  With that in mind, is this a valid option any longer or do we drop it at this point?  I’m assuming we’d want broad (not total) consensus prior to including press directly and that doesn’t appear possible.  I recommend we drop this discussion and instead focus our efforts on designing a press event that would provide the detailed understanding of the working group’s efforts and open issues in front of us.
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> From: Jonathan Mayer [mailto:jmayer@stanford.edu]  
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> Cc: Matthias Schunter; JC Cannon; Heather West; SULLIVAN, BRYAN L; public-tracking@w3.org (mailto:public-tracking@w3.org)
> Subject: Re: Media Access (ACTION-197)
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> > Many in the Working Group are NOT comfortable with the proposed policy from Jonathan.  How should we work to resolve this?
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> > Cc: JC Cannon; Heather West; SULLIVAN, BRYAN L; Shane Wiley; public-tracking@w3.org (mailto:public-tracking@w3.org)
> > Subject: Re: Media Access (ACTION-197)
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> > I am OK with this policy. However, I would like to mandate that press participants identify  
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> > It's quite common for a forum to limit how first-hand impressions may be used in reporting.  Perhaps the best-known example is the Chatham House Rule.  The rationale is exactly what we're discussing: a balance between the benefits of transparency and unencumbered dialogue.
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> > > I say no. If they are not permitted to take quotes what’s the point? I would not be comfortable with press participation.
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> > > From: Jonathan Mayer [mailto:jmayer@stanford.edu]  
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> > > Cc: SULLIVAN, BRYAN L; Shane Wiley; public-tracking@w3.org (mailto:public-tracking@w3.org)
> > > Subject: Re: Media Access (ACTION-197)
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> > > I don't believe the mere addition of press briefings would do much to advance the group's transparency.  We've all been to press conferences.  They're about regurgitating talking points and jockeying for positive spin.  If we want accurate, detailed coverage and a heightened imprimatur of legitimacy, we need to allow media into the room.  There is no substitute for first-hand impressions.
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> > > That said, I'm very sensitive to the concerns Shane, Bryan, and Heather have raised about the chilling effects associated with a press policy of direct quotation and identifying attribution.  Industry participants should not be compelled to negotiate in the shadow of a misspoken sentence potentially making headlines verbatim.  My aim in breaking out our options on quotation, attribution, and other media matters was to start a conversation about how we can balance the tremendous transparency advantages of having the press in the room against the potential for chilling our discussions.  Perhaps there is no balance to be struck.  But before leaping to that conclusion, we should give compromise solutions some real thought.
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> > > To make things more concrete, here's a proposal: What would participants think of a policy where press are allowed in, but they cannot use direct quotes?  Are there conversations we've had that wouldn't have happened if press were in the room with this policy?
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> > > > I think that using this working group as a platform for press is harmful to the goal of the group: coming to consensus within the group. While we all want our end product to have a transparent process, the more that folks direct their remarks towards reporters instead of the group, the less will get done.  
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> > > > I'd be very surprised if a reporter with tons of stories to write had the time to actually sit through all these calls to glean context, so structuring sessions for press makes sense. I support Shane's compromise of actively engaging the press, in a structured way, and continuing to have a relatively well-defined group on the calls and in the meetings. I think Bryan's idea is similar, and also makes sense.
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> > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:25 PM, SULLIVAN, BRYAN L <bs3131@att.com (mailto:bs3131@att.com)> wrote:
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> > > > We could support specific sessions in which non-members are invited for outreach, but not in the context of normal working sessions and certainly not the presence of press in normal working sessions. If the group is to effectively progress on the complex issues at hand, we must have ability to discuss freely the ideas and positions intended to lead us to consensus.
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> > > > On May 9, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com (mailto:wileys@yahoo-inc.com)<mailto:wileys@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:
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> > > > Well done Jonathan – thank you for doing this (nicely parsed).
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> > > > I’m not sure how best to approach the debate, but I’m hopeful we continue to NOT allow press “in the room” for active working sessions and instead shift our efforts to proactive press outreach sessions, with training and prepared statements, and access to those available to speak to the press directly for quotes.  I believe this more controlled approach to press interactions gives us the best of both worlds:  interactive (removes reliance on meeting notes or 2nd hand descriptions) and contained (allows continued free discussion during working sessions).
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> > > > Subject: Media Access (ACTION-197)
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> > > > I was tasked on today's call with thinking through alternative media access policies.  Here's a rough outline of design points:
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> > > >  *   Are media allowed to listen to calls and meetings?
> > > >  *   If yes, may they reference their first-hand experience in their reporting?  (If not, they'll have to cite our oh-so-reliable minutes and second-hand descriptions.)
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> > > >        *   Direct quotes (e.g. "I want a lunch break")
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> > > >        *   Identification (e.g. Jonathan Mayer from Stanford said)
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> > > >     *   Impressions (e.g. he looked hungry)
> > > >     *   Procedure (e.g. there was a vote to break for lunch)
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> > > > In selecting which policy we adopt, we have to weigh the concerns of certain industry participants—erroneously negative publicity, corporate media policy, and the attendant chilling effects of both—against the importance of transparency in this process.  Given the broad spectrum of design points, there seems to me a lot of scope for compromise.
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> > > > Heather West | Google Policy | heatherwest@google.com (mailto:heatherwest@google.com) | 202-643-6381
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