- From: Tamir Israel <tisrael@cippic.ca>
- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:57:49 -0400
- To: Jonathan Mayer <jmayer@stanford.edu>
- CC: Brian O'Kelley <bokelley@appnexus.com>, Chris Mejia <chris.mejia@iab.net>, David Wainberg - NAI <david@networkadvertising.org>, W3C DNT Working Group Mailing List <public-tracking@w3.org>, Brendan Riordan-Butterworth <Brendan@iab.net>, Mike Zaneis <mike@iab.net>, Peter Cranstone <peter.cranstone@gmail.com>, Alan Chapell <achapell@chapellassociates.com>
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On 7/13/2012 2:32 PM, Peter Cranstone wrote: > Does the current 'unique identification' method contain personally > identifiable information? Or is it 'just a count?' > > Peter Seems to be the case: On 7/12/2012 10:04 PM, Jonathan Mayer wrote: > On Thursday, July 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Brian O'Kelley wrote: >> Jonathan, >> >> I think your points below are valid - we could reorder campaign >> selection such that we check frequency caps only for the limited set >> of campaigns that sort to the top on expected value. It would be very >> expensive, but it would be technically possible. > Could you say a bit more about the potential costs of implementing a > different approach to frequency capping? > I'm curious -- would this be a one-time re-engineering cost or an ongoing cost? >> However, one of the core tenets of performance advertising is the use >> of frequency data to predict response. It's part of the holy trinity >> (creative, placement, frequency) that dictates the success of direct >> response advertising. For performance advertising to work we need to >> lookup frequency before we figure out the price, and that can't >> happen the reordered algorithm you suggest. > Ok, so how about this algorithm: > > 1) Begin with the set of all campaigns. > > 2) Filter by targeting criteria. > > 3) Assign an expected revenue to each campaign, without knowing actual > impression frequency counts. An implementation might use a trivial > heuristic (e.g. assume no impressions or average impression frequency) > or something more sophisticated (e.g. use a probability distribution > of impression frequency). > > 4) Select the n campaigns with greatest expected revenue. > > 5) Filter by frequency capping. > > 6) Assign a new expected revenue to each campaign using actual > impression frequency counts. > > 7) Select the campaign with greatest expected revenue. > > Or, even better, maximize expected revenue across the n candidate > campaigns: > > 1) Begin with the set of all campaigns. > > 2) Filter by targeting criteria. > > 3) Construct a portfolio of n campaigns that maximizes portfolio-wide > expected revenue, that is, the greatest individual campaign revenue. > An implementation might use trivial heuristics (e.g. choose n/3 ads > assuming no impressions, n/3 ads assuming average impressions, and n/3 > ads assuming loads of impressions) or something more sophisticated > (e.g. use a probability distribution of impression frequencies). > > 4) Filter by frequency capping. > > 5) Assign a new expected revenue to each campaign using actual > impression frequency counts. > > 6) Select the campaign with greatest expected revenue. >> Note that from a privacy perspective, you should be very pleased that >> our optimization algorithm doesn't use any historical user data or >> behavioral segmentation (though our clients could explicitly target >> their own behavioral data outside the algorithm). > With the caveat that other participants assuredly disagree: I have no > objection to behavioral targeting. I and other researchers have, in > fact, worked to develop practical, privacy-preserving approaches (see > http://33bits.org/2012/06/11/tracking-not-required-behavioral-targeting/). > My concern is the collection of a user's browsing history by an > organization he or she has no relationship with. It seems totally > backwards to me to get rid of a practice that might have some marginal > economic value (behavioral targeting) and keep the practice that > imposes serious privacy risks (ID cookies and equivalents). >> I'd be happy to answer any other questions - this is a personal >> passion of mine! >> >> Brian >> >> >> From: Chris Mejia <chris.mejia@iab.net <mailto:chris.mejia@iab.net>> >> To: Jonathan Mayer <jmayer@stanford.edu >> <mailto:jmayer@stanford.edu>>, David Wainberg - NAI >> <david@networkadvertising.org <mailto:david@networkadvertising.org>> >> Cc: W3C DNT Working Group Mailing List <public-tracking@w3.org >> <mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>>, Brendan Riordan-Butterworth >> <Brendan@iab.net <mailto:Brendan@iab.net>>, Mike Zaneis <mike@iab.net >> <mailto:mike@iab.net>>, Brian O'Kelley <bokelley@appnexus.com >> <mailto:bokelley@appnexus.com>> >> Subject: Re: Frequency Capping >> >> Jonathan, >> >> Frequency capping (f-capping) is usually a contractual obligation for >> the party responsible for delivering the ad (an ad-netork, a >> publisher, and exchange, etc.) and is almost always required by the >> advertiser in insertion orders (the insertion order or "IO" is the >> contract between the parties). It looks like your assumption below >> is that f-capping is (only) a 'tactic' to increase ROI for >> performance campaigns. While this is sometimes true (yet mostly >> not), it's actually rarely the real motivation of doing f-capping. >> The requirement for f-capping the delivery of a campaign to users is >> generally contractually obligated by the advertiser, for several good >> reasons, but most importantly for not annoying the user with multiple >> servings of the same ad creative, over and over again in one time >> frame (i.e. in a 24-hour time period). >> >> As f-capping is generally contractually obligated, it's not up to the >> deliverer of the ad to CHOOSE which campaigns to f-cap— it's a >> REQUIREMENT to f-cap all campaigns where contractually obligated to >> do so. F-capping has happened in television advertising for many >> years— imagine how annoying it is when the same tv ad spot plays over >> and over again (in fact this happens, and I'm sure we all find it >> annoying). >> >> To sum up, while f-capping can sometimes increase ROI for advertisers >> (it's not necessarily always true), it is most often contractually >> obligated (per the Insertion Order). The primary motivation for >> f-capping is to not annoy the user with repeated serving of the same >> ad creative during a time period. In my experience, the vast >> majority of f-capping is set at 1:24 or 2:24, etc. (restricting the >> showing of a particular ad creative, 1 time in 24-hours, or 2-times >> in 24-hours). >> >> I hope this helps clarify the motivation for f-capping and leads to >> mutual appreciation for the need. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Chris >> >> >> Chris Mejia | Digital Supply Chain Solutions | Ad Technology Group | >> Interactive Advertising Bureau - IAB >> >> >> >> From: Jonathan Mayer <jmayer@stanford.edu <mailto:jmayer@stanford.edu>> >> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:26:12 -0700 >> To: David Wainberg - NAI <david@networkadvertising.org >> <mailto:david@networkadvertising.org>> >> Cc: W3C DNT Working Group Mailing List <public-tracking@w3.org >> <mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>> >> Subject: Re: Frequency Capping >> Resent-From: W3C DNT Working Group Mailing List >> <public-tracking@w3.org <mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>> >> Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:26:46 +0000 >> >> I'd sure like to hear more from advertising industry participants >> about how frequency capping integrates into advertisement selection. >> The AppNexus approach, if I read correctly, goes roughly as follows: >> >> 1) Begin with the set of all campaigns. >> >> 2) Filter by targeting criteria. >> >> 3) Filter by frequency capping. >> >> 4) Assign an expected revenue to each campaign. >> >> 5) Select the campaign with greatest expected revenue. >> >> The approach includes testing the frequency cap of every campaign >> that matches targeting criteria. What about, instead, only testing >> the cap for a subset of those campaigns: >> >> 1) Begin with the set of all campaigns. >> >> 2) Filter by targeting criteria. >> >> 3) Assign an expected revenue to each campaign. >> >> 4) Select the n campaigns with greatest expected revenue. >> >> 5) Filter by frequency capping. >> >> 6) Select the campaign with greatest expected revenue. >> >> Some relevant empirical questions include: How often are the highest >> revenue campaigns frequency capped? How well can an ad company >> predict which high-revenue campaigns will and won't be frequency capped? >> >> Jonathan >> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, David Wainberg wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> In case you haven't seen it already, I recommend Prof. Felten's >>> excellent blog on "Privacy by Design: Frequency Capping." Please >>> also read Brian O'Kelley's post in the comment section explaining >>> what he sees as the technical hurdles for these alternative >>> frequency capping methods. (I may be wrong, but I think Brian is a >>> former student of Prof. Felten.) This kind of detailed technical >>> discussion of these proposals seems very helpful. First, it helps us >>> set reasonable expectations on all sides. Second, and more >>> interesting to me, is that maybe we can have more discussion and >>> collaboration on bringing these sorts of things to production. >>> >>> http://techatftc.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/privacy-by-design-frequency-capping/ >>> >>> -David >> >
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