- From: Rob van Eijk <rob@blaeu.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:22:17 +0100
- To: public-tracking@w3.org
- Message-ID: <4ED53EF9.7060709@blaeu.com>
Thanks Sean. That is interesting, because you address two things : 1. the collection of the data and 2. the use of the data. Taking Roy's working definition into account we get a third element: the sharing of data across non-same-branded sites > Quote Roy: "Because DNT does not mean "do not track". It means do not > track me across non-same-branded sites. If you have a user expectation > that differs from that, then we need to fix that expectation (not DNT)." I feel we are close to a working definition for tracking. -- Rob On 29-11-2011 19:02, Sean Harvey wrote: > I defer to the group on this, but my own thinking was originally as > follows: > > If I visited a shopping site for a pair of shoes, decided against the > purchase in favor of something else and then became annoyed with > retargeted ads offering that same pair of shoes to me on other > locations across the web, my setting of DNT (in my mind at least) > should not allow the retargeting network to continue hitting me with > more retargeted ads for that same pair of shoes because it was > previously "collected with consent". > > again, this is just my opinion. also, if i'm on anyone's holiday > shopping list this year, my shoe size is 11... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:48 PM, David Wainberg > <dwainberg@appnexus.com <mailto:dwainberg@appnexus.com>> wrote: > > Assuming the data was collected with consent for that purpose, why > not? > > > On 11/29/11 12:39 PM, Sean Harvey wrote: >> to my mind the first party should not be using any third party >> data for targeting in a DNT-on context, and I thought that was >> stated elsewhere in the email chain, though I can go back and check. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:26 PM, David Wainberg >> <dwainberg@appnexus.com <mailto:dwainberg@appnexus.com>> wrote: >> >> This raises an interesting issue with how this is going to >> work. If the user engaged DNT after the data was collected, >> we probably have consensus that prior collected data should >> not be used. However, if the user had DNT at the time the >> data was collected, but granted an exception to DNT, the data >> is ok to be used. The problem is, how does the 1st party know >> the difference? It will fall on the 3rd party to honor the >> user's choices, and the 1st party will have to trust them. >> >> >> >> On 11/29/11 9:50 AM, Jeffrey Chester wrote: >>> If a DNT system is to work, it must address how first party >>> sites incorporate third party data and also use ad >>> exchanges. If a user has said they do not want to be >>> tracked via a third party data service, such as eXelate, >>> BlueKai or Experian (for example) then such user data should >>> not be automatically imported or used by the First party >>> site. Sites increasingly mix in-house data with third party >>> targeting data. A user should have reasonable control of >>> this process under DNT. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeffrey Chester >>> Center for Digital Democracy >>> 1621 Connecticut Ave, NW, Suite 550 >>> Washington, DC 20009 >>> www.democraticmedia.org <http://www.democraticmedia.org> >>> >>> On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:59 PM, JC Cannon wrote: >>> >>>> John, >>>> I believe we are already in agreement that DNT will not >>>> apply to 1^st party sites. I understand the need to clarify >>>> that 3^rd -party sharing will be limited to certain >>>> exceptions, but I don’t want to revisit something we have >>>> already agreed on. >>>> JC >>>> Twitter <http://twitter.com/jccannon7> >>>> *From:*John Simpson [mailto:john@consumerwatchdog.org] >>>> *Sent:*Monday, November 28, 2011 4:47 PM >>>> *To:*<public-tracking@w3.org >>>> <mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>> (public-tracking@w3.org >>>> <mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>) >>>> *Subject:*Issue-17, Issue-51 First party obligations >>>> Colleagues, >>>> I've been thinking a bit more about the idea of "1st Party" >>>> obligations if we use the frame of a 1st Party and 3rd >>>> Party distinction. It seems clear to me that there is >>>> consensus that the 1st Party must not share data (some will >>>> say there are exceptions) with a 3rd party when DNT is enabled. >>>> It does seem to me there are further obligations. When I >>>> go to a 1st party site and interact with it, I assume it >>>> is using my information for that transaction. If I >>>> have DNT enabled, I don't have ANY expectation that it will >>>> continue to use that information beyond that transaction. >>>> The site should ask me if it can continue to store the >>>> information and use it beyond that specific visit to the site. >>>> In other words from my perspective as a user, a 1st Party >>>> site should treat me as if I had cleared all my cookies the >>>> next time I visit the site if I have DNT enabled. >>>> When DNT is enabled, a 1st party should treat each session >>>> with a user as an entirely new session unless it has been >>>> given permission to store his information and use it again. >>>> 73s, >>>> John >>>> ---------- >>>> John M. Simpson >>>> Consumer Advocate >>>> Consumer Watchdog >>>> 1750 Ocean Park Blvd. ,Suite 200 >>>> Santa Monica, CA,90405 >>>> Tel: 310-392-7041 <tel:310-392-7041> >>>> Cell: 310-292-1902 <tel:310-292-1902> >>>> www.ConsumerWatchdog.org <http://www.ConsumerWatchdog.org> >>>> john@consumerwatchdog.org <mailto:john@consumerwatchdog.org> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sean Harvey >> Business Product Manager >> Google, Inc. >> 212-381-5330 <tel:212-381-5330> >> sharvey@google.com <mailto:sharvey@google.com> > > > > > -- > Sean Harvey > Business Product Manager > Google, Inc. > 212-381-5330 > sharvey@google.com <mailto:sharvey@google.com>
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