Re: Re ISSUE-26: When a 3rd party becomes a 1st party

I agree with Bjorn's point, which I take is simply:  there are highly relevant differences among widgets (re consumer expectations) and one such is the widget's self-proclaimed consumer-facing purpose.  By default, Facebook or Twitter is about social in a way that a weather or map widget is not.  


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On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann <> wrote:

> * Shane Wiley wrote:
>> I believe when users click on the FB "Like" button they every
>> expectation this is going to set the "Like" for that particular item on
>> their Facebook page.  Do you have information suggesting users that
>> click on the FB Like button do not have this expectation?
> It does not seem to matter much whether Facebook is first or third party
> in this particular scenario, a user who understands the "like button" is
> really asking Facebook to log that they visited this site and when and
> so on. A better example would be a third party map service. It does not
> seem very plausible that the map service provider would be third party
> on load but when the user zooms or pans a little bit it suddenly becomes
> first party and the user expects this somehow.
> I just loaded a random hotel web site that embeds a Google Maps widget;
> there is no indication that this is some kind of third party service at
> all, the map just has a footer with "POWERED BY Google Map data ©2011
> Cybercity, GeoBasis-DE/BKG (©2009), Google, LGV Hamburg - Terms of Use".
> Who would be running this? Google, Cybercity, the BKG (a federal office)
> or the LGV Hamburg (a state authority)? Is Automattic, Inc. monitoring
> all visits to "Powered by WordPress" blogs? The Wikimedia Foundation all
> visits to "Powered by MediaWiki" wikis?
> What about YouTube videos? If you click the YouTube logo, you will be
> taken to the YouTube web site and YouTube becomes first party. But if
> you just click the play button... YouTube also becomes first party and
> may compile a profile about you including all the sites where you might
> be watching videos, despite your browser telling YouTube you do not want
> to be tracked, if that is still why first versus third party matters?
> And YouTube, LLC may then share the data with Google, Inc.? I would not
> expect that.
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