Re: Scrolling as overlap avoidance (Re: Alternative approach to scrolling, with demos)

Yes, an option for "auto" width would allow this. Philip and Silvia, is
that still on the table?


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Christian Vogler <
christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote:

> For this kind of situation, line wrapping should be considered only as a
> method of last resort. If possible, growing the cue to the left, right, or
> both, would in most cases be preferable. Especially if a line wrap breaks
> up a single word.
>
> Christian
>
> Sent from my mobile phone.  Please excuse any touchscreen-induced
> weirdness.
> On May 8, 2014 10:09 AM, "Philip Jägenstedt" <philipj@opera.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for digging that up, Loretta!
>>
>> In this example, there are single cues which are positioned, not
>> groups of cues, so I don't think regions should be required to achieve
>> the same result.
>>
>> With pre-regions WebVTT this could be reproduced by using the align
>> setting and a suitably positioned cue box, it seems.
>>
>> Note that lineAlign:bottom only controls the alignment of the first
>> line, so if a cue wraps then lineAlign can't be used to provide an
>> anchor point for the cue as a whole, in particular you couldn't use it
>> to avoid overlapping text just below the cue.
>>
>> I'm guessing that for speaking identification you'll place the cue
>> either above or below the speaker. Would a way to control the
>> direction in which the cue grows when the font size increases or lines
>> wraps be sufficient?
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Loretta Guarino Reid
>> <lorettaguarino@google.com> wrote:
>> > (Still trying to find non-pay examples of interesting placement...)
>> >
>> > Here is one, although the visual motivation for this particular
>> placement
>> > isn't clear:
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1PO6zH60c#t=1m53s
>> >
>> > The positioned captions occur at 2:09
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [I accidentally sent this reply off-list two days ago.]
>> >>
>> >> In the CPC demo, simple left and right alignment is used to follow the
>> >> speaker:
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbqPe-IceP4
>> >>
>> >> Do you have an example where something more fancy than this is used?
>> >> Note that just by using the position, size and align setting you can
>> >> do fancier things, but an example would help determine if that's
>> >> enough or not.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Christian Vogler
>> >> <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>> >> > To me, positioning for speaker identification makes the most sense in
>> >> > terms
>> >> > of the anchor point - this point is the target for each speaker.
>> >> >
>> >> > Christian
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, David Singer <singer@apple.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 5:00 , Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> (2) the background color on the width and height of the rollup
>> area
>> >> >> >> needs to be changeable
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why? As I noted in the "background box tweaking" thread that's
>> still
>> >> >> > possible with the sum of my suggestions, but I don't understand
>> what
>> >> >> > the use case is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> (4) move all the cues in the region as a group to another
>> location
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > This is also not handled by the current spec. I don't think it
>> makes
>> >> >> > sense either, why not just end the cues and repeat them in a new
>> >> >> > position?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I agree for these that if you want something ‘similar’ to appear as
>> >> >> what’s
>> >> >> already there, the clean thing to do is to re-draw it.  Same content
>> >> >> but in
>> >> >> a different region (with different position or colors), and so on.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> (3) font size changes on the region need to make the region go
>> >> >> >> bigger
>> >> >> >> centered out from the anchor point
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's not handled by the current spec. We've talked about using
>> >> >> > font-relative units but that hasn't happened. I'd love to
>> understand
>> >> >> > the use case for this though. Do you have an example video frame
>> >> >> > where
>> >> >> > scaling around an anchor point is necessary as opposed to mode of
>> >> >> > scaling that happens with classical WebVTT?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I also am curious
>> >> >>
>> >> >> David Singer
>> >> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Christian Vogler, PhD
>> >> > Director, Technology Access Program
>> >> > Department of Communication Studies
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>> >>
>> >
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