Re: Scrolling as overlap avoidance (Re: Alternative approach to scrolling, with demos)

Actually that is a pretty good one. The positioning here indicates the
placing of the animal noises.

The Shrek DVD is the one that I remember most clearly. It had such an
interesting placement case where the choice of positioning and the reasons
behind it were obvious. There were three folks all making a comment
simultaneously, and each caption was centered below the respective speaker.

There's also the use case where positioning localizes a sound. Some scary
flick with a locked cabinet in the room, from which thumping noises
emanate. Picture a full pan of the room, and place a [thump] right smack in
the middle of the cabinet.

Christian

Sent from my mobile phone.  Please excuse any touchscreen-induced weirdness.
On May 8, 2014 9:24 AM, "Loretta Guarino Reid" <lorettaguarino@google.com>
wrote:

(Still trying to find non-pay examples of interesting placement...)

Here is one, although the visual motivation for this particular placement
isn't clear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1PO6zH60c#t=1m53s

The positioned captions occur at 2:09


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com> wrote:

> [I accidentally sent this reply off-list two days ago.]
>
> In the CPC demo, simple left and right alignment is used to follow the
> speaker:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbqPe-IceP4
>
> Do you have an example where something more fancy than this is used?
> Note that just by using the position, size and align setting you can
> do fancier things, but an example would help determine if that's
> enough or not.
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Christian Vogler
> <christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu> wrote:
> > To me, positioning for speaker identification makes the most sense in
> terms
> > of the anchor point - this point is the target for each speaker.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, David Singer <singer@apple.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 5, 2014, at 5:00 , Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> (2) the background color on the width and height of the rollup area
> >> >> needs to be changeable
> >> >
> >> > Why? As I noted in the "background box tweaking" thread that's still
> >> > possible with the sum of my suggestions, but I don't understand what
> >> > the use case is.
> >>
> >> >> (4) move all the cues in the region as a group to another location
> >> >
> >> > This is also not handled by the current spec. I don't think it makes
> >> > sense either, why not just end the cues and repeat them in a new
> >> > position?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I agree for these that if you want something ‘similar’ to appear as
> what’s
> >> already there, the clean thing to do is to re-draw it.  Same content
> but in
> >> a different region (with different position or colors), and so on.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> (3) font size changes on the region need to make the region go bigger
> >> >> centered out from the anchor point
> >> >
> >> > That's not handled by the current spec. We've talked about using
> >> > font-relative units but that hasn't happened. I'd love to understand
> >> > the use case for this though. Do you have an example video frame where
> >> > scaling around an anchor point is necessary as opposed to mode of
> >> > scaling that happens with classical WebVTT?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I also am curious
> >>
> >> David Singer
> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> > Department of Communication Studies
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>
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