Re: [TalentSignal] Example job postings for analysis from Phil Barker on 2019-06-12 (public-talent-signal@w3.org from June 2019)

From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:33:27 +0100
To: public-talent-signal@w3.org
Message-ID: <bcb4b341-d0a1-7f07-7f12-d70159dd819a@pjjk.co.uk>
Thank you Jason, Merrilea & Jason.

I have downloaded a few thousand job descriptions from the feeds 
available via DirectEmployers.

I don't propose to do any analysis across all of them, nor do I intend 
to use any of them verbatim.

What this collection will let me do is find real world examples of 
patterns of use for specific issues such as those identified from the 
analysis of the made up example I posted the other day.

Regards, Phil

On 28/05/2019 14:51, Jason Sole wrote:
>
> My company, DirectEmployers Association, runs the technology backend 
> for the NLx (the NLx is a joint project of the DirectEmployers and 
> NASWA). NLx Jobs are available here:
>
> https://xmlfeed.directemployers.org/
>
> This will contain up to date, live job data. We update it every night 
> from a couple of thousand different job sources. You can use for all 
> our testing needs.  You will need to sign up, but it’s a self service 
> thing to get an API key.  The only reason we use a key is to track 
> usage and control bad actors.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> *From: *"Tyszko, Jason" <jtyszko@USChamber.com>
> *Date: *Friday, May 24, 2019 at 10:33 AM
> *To: *Merrilea Mayo <merrileamayo@gmail.com>, 
> "public-talent-signal@w3.org" <public-talent-signal@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [TalentSignal] Example job postings for analysis
> *Resent-From: *<public-talent-signal@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Friday, May 24, 2019 at 10:32 AM
>
> Thanks Merrilea!  BrightHive—who is building the JDX open data 
> infrastructure with the U.S. Chamber—also has a partnership with NASWA 
> and NLX and a bevy of data that we might be able to tap into.
>
> Jason
>
> *From:*Merrilea Mayo <merrileamayo@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2019 10:26 AM
> *To:* public-talent-signal@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: [TalentSignal] Example job postings for analysis
>
> We work a lot with employers and could probably get real job 
> descriptions to work with, with their permission.  For example, we 
> have access to CVS' (pharmacy company) global job feed.
>
> Also, I have on my hard drive NLX's decade of job descriptions, about 
> 36 GB of them.  NLX obtains its job postings not only by direct US 
> employer feeds, but also by hand entry via US workforce agencies.  It 
> is a good data set in that it is both comprehensive and much more 
> representative of the actual distribution of US jobs than any other 
> job feed source (most commercial job feeds, like Indeed, skew heavily 
> to 4 year degree jobs).  However, to get your own access to the NLX 
> data would require someone to sign an NDA and be responsible for 
> sheltering that data from harm.
>
> Another option is to partner with Chmura, a US data analysis firm that 
> works with economic developers.  They have has a pretty decent job 
> scraping operation, and they are very data-savvy.  They do a great job 
> cleaning up most of the data they receive and they're small enough to 
> work well as partners to a fledgling effort such as this.
>
> I guess I'd suggest working with the one or two fictional examples 
> first, then testing out the assumptions on one of these larger data sets.
>
> Merrilea
>
> On 5/24/2019 8:56 AM, Tyszko, Jason wrote:
>
>     Phil,compan
>
>     It is my understanding that the JDX team has been compiling job
>     descriptions and postings as part of the employer onboarding
>     process for the pilot.  Let me check if we can share some of these
>     with you.  As always, thank you for your leadership.
>
>     *Jason A. Tyszko*
>
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>     *From:*Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
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>     *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2019 5:58 AM
>     *To:* public-talent-signal@w3.org <mailto:public-talent-signal@w3.org>
>     *Subject:* [TalentSignal] Example job postings for analysis
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     I think that a useful next step for the TalentSignal community
>     group would be to look at some example job postings. By trying to
>     represent the information in them in schema.org we will be able to
>     examine and document what can already be expressed with schema.org
>     JobPosting and how best to express it. I think that doing so will
>     allow us to contribute examples and guidance to schema.org and to
>     surface and exemplify what cannot be done.
>
>     The examples had best be fictional or anonymous so as not to
>     divulge sensitive or confidential information about job analyses
>     into a public specification, however it is important that the
>     examples are realistic and not overly contrived.
>
>     Probably we will need a range of examples to cover different
>     scenarios (remote work, short term contracts, hourly Vs monthly
>     pay etc., formal & informal competence requirements and so on).
>
>     The Job Data Exchange project produced a couple of fictional
>     examples for Junior
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vD19BSnaxkf9qahYeGBw19YKPFi2McFEuJOE9a5K_KY/edit?usp=sharing>[1]
>     and Senior
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yeNR37Dzh_GgjBLhCTqN7AMkfT79usFhD7NqexTkT_I/edit?usp=sharing>
>     [2] software developers, which I pleased to be able to share. I
>     have created a page
>     <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_job_postings>
>     [3] on the group's wiki for such examples.
>
>     *Two questions*: 1) are you happy that these are worthwhile
>     examples to analyse; 2) are you in a position to provide any other
>     examples?
>
>     Best regards, Phil
>
>     1.
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vD19BSnaxkf9qahYeGBw19YKPFi2McFEuJOE9a5K_KY/edit?usp=sharing
>     2.
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yeNR37Dzh_GgjBLhCTqN7AMkfT79usFhD7NqexTkT_I/edit?usp=sharing
>     3.
>     https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_job_postings
>
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