RE: [TalentSignal] analysis of example Job Posting

Indeed – Merrilea’s comments helped a lot (thanks Merrilea!)

Thanks,
- Joseph

From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 6:04 AM
To: public-talent-signal@w3.org
Subject: Re: [TalentSignal] analysis of example Job Posting


Hello Joseph,

The two issues you mention are somewhat linked. You may have seen Merrilea's comments about combining requirements. It's difficult to summarise without going deep into the examples, but as she says it comes down to encoding requirements like "1) a 4 year degree AND six years of experience; OR 2) a Ph.D. AND a current cybersecurity certification". Likewise a job may be available "part time" OR "full time"

Both probably merit their own discussion thread.

Phil
On 10/06/2019 18:58, Joseph D. Marsh wrote:
Phil,

I can’t speak to the first two items, but the latter two seem like they need discussion.


  1.  This may be a rookie question, but be patient with me: not sure what the issue would be for “combining requirements” – isn’t this simply a node which already allows for “1 … n” entries?


  1.  In my experience, there are many situations where a job posting may offer different opportunities for work; the job may allow the possibility of working part-time or full-time, each of which would come with different own pay

     *   Hourly for part-time vs. salaried for full-time
     *   “Part-time” may be defined as hourly for less than “n” hours; full-time if more than “n” hours
     *   Benefits may differ for part-time work vs. full-time

Given the current job market, I see a lot of companies who are willing to split one full-time job into 2 part-time jobs, if they can’t find one candidate to fill the position.

Make sense?

Thanks,
- Joseph

From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk><mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:07 PM
To: public-talent-signal@w3.org<mailto:public-talent-signal@w3.org>
Subject: [TalentSignal] analysis of example Job Posting


Hello all, a couple of weeks ago I shared a fictional example job posting<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vD19BSnaxkf9qahYeGBw19YKPFi2McFEuJOE9a5K_KY/edit> [1] that originated from the job data exchange project.

I have analysed this against schema.org JobPosting<https://schema.org/JobPosting> [2] and the Google JobPosting Search guidance<https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/job-posting> [3], producing an example of a full JobPosting and some potential issues arising.

The issues are:

  *   There should be a means of providing contact details for a JobPosting
  *   There should be a means of providing information about the department within a hiring organization within which a job in a job posting is situated.
  *   There should be a means of combining requirements for a job posting
  *   employmentType covers different categories of information which leads to some complications when more than one is present.

You can see the full analysis on the TalentSignal wiki<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Examples:_Junior_software_developer> [4]

Do you think that these are significant issues worth addressing?

Regards, Phil
1. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vD19BSnaxkf9qahYeGBw19YKPFi2McFEuJOE9a5K_KY/edit

2. https://schema.org/JobPosting

3. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/job-posting

4. https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Examples:_Junior_software_developer

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CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in England number OC399090
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