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Re: WSDL Debate Continued..

From: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@isr.umd.edu>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:27:53 -0500
Message-Id: <9dbc3ac69f483ee5e560fc3af2266d39@isr.umd.edu>
Cc: Jacek Kopecky <jacek.kopecky@deri.org>, public-sws-ig@w3.org, retsxob123 <cutlip@us.ibm.com>
To: David Martin <martin@AI.SRI.COM>

On Mar 20, 2006, at 4:01 PM, David Martin wrote:

> Jacek Kopecky wrote:
>> Hi David,
>> I think your two points were pretty much embodied in the recent WS
>> Activity proposal in W3C - creating the SA-WSDL working group for 
>> point
>> one and repurposing the SWS-IG for point two. Or do you think that
>> something is missing? 8-)
> Hi Jacek -
> The SWS-IG has essentially nothing to do with what I am suggesting.  
> The SWS-IG "exists mainly as an email forum".  That's a quote from
>     http://www.w3.org/2005/09/sws-ig-charter.
> As such, the SWS-IG is a very useful thing, but I don't see how you 
> could possibly conclude that it addresses my point 2 (below).

Well, we could do more:

"""The Semantic Web Services Interest Group exists mainly as an email 
forum; it does not conduct regular distributed or face-to-face 
meetings, although occasional workshops and meetings (teleconferences, 
IRC meetings or face-to-face meetings) may be arranged as needed. The 
Interest Group may hold meetings (e.g. "Birds-Of-a-Feather" sessions) 
at conferences, at the discretion of the Chair and W3C team contact."""

> What I am suggesting in point 2 is a much more proactive step that W3C 
> could take.  That is, W3C could charter a working group to standardize 
> how to specify, in a SemWeb-based manner, the low-hanging fruit that's 
> at the intersection of most of the SWS proposals.

We could also do an XG. The interest group is a natural place to try to 
get an XG going:

>   If this were done, it would provide a model for the semantic content 
> referred to by the annotations produced by the sa-ws group (if it 
> happens).  My claim is that having such a model would create a great 
> deal more value for the WS community, because it will provide a 
> standard for the semantic *content*, not just for the hooks.  (This is 
> a concern that has been mentioned by others recently on this list.)


> The Semantics for Web Services Characterization Group:
>     http://www.w3.org/2005/10/sws-charac-charter.html,
> which is currently on the back burner, could be viewed as an 
> intermediate step towards the WG that I am suggesting.  (However, I'm 
> not sure that it's really needed as a prerequisite to what I am 
> suggesting.)

I recommend, myself, action, but in a lightweight way. The problem with 
a lightweight way is that it's hard to get people to actually be 

Be nice if SWSs as an area were more concrete problem driven.

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