Re: Web service in WSDL vs. "service" in OWL-S

Xuan,

    by all means the trend is global and my e-mail was not directed at 
you but at everyone
who is abusing this list or using it for personal attacks. I believe 
arguing when done in
healthy manner is the mother of all discoveries and learning so we 
should keep it as such.
So yes, you are right, this applies to everyone who is not considerate.

Thanks

Xuan Shi wrote:

>Please check the archives in this SWS-IG and you can find that, some
>people first used the words "stupid", "foolish", "ignore you",
>"nonsense", "outsider", in the past.
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>So where is your moral judgement when they talked without manner?! Or
>you want to put some words in this SWS-IG regarding their aggressive
>behaviors to show us that there are still honest men other than
>hypocrites in this community? I'd be grateful to you if you have such
>courage.
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>I am just wondering why this public forum has much space for those
>irrelevant topics but has little space for relevant topics. Don't you
>think it's a problem?
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>Regards,
>
>Xuan
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>>>>Demetris G <demetris@ece.neu.edu> 08/01/06 1:35 PM >>>
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>I strongly second Terry's e-mail below and I am sure a lot of other 
>people do too. Cooperation and
>collaboration is the keyword here rather than attacking anyone 
>regardless of how strongly you
>disagree with anything, don't like anything, or you are frustrated due 
>to the lack of documentation
>or explanations. And do not become victim of falsified individualized 
>interpretations as Terry
>correctly points below.
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>Take it easy and make the most of this list.
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>Terry Payne wrote:
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>>Xuan,
>>    you are reading way too much into this, and making incorrect  
>>interpretations.  When we wrote the original documentation, it was  
>>not talking about web sites - you keep banging on about this but the  
>>position you're arguing isn't an accurate representation of what was  
>>written.
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>>There are a number of different views regarding what constitutes Web  
>>Services, and what is a web service (should it be in XML?  Must it  
>>have its interface defined in WSDL?  What if a service grounds its  
>>interface in WSDL, but communicates directly with its peers using a  
>>KQML binding, and thus doesn't use http or xml at all???).   
>>Personally I don't want to get involved in that discussion, just as  
>>after several years of hearing similar debates about what is an  
>>autonomous agent ("oh, is it a light-sensitive switch?", for example).
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>>Finally, could you please cease firing questions in a rather  
>>aggressive manner at certain individuals?  This is a large community  
>>that has been researching this field for a long time now, with all  
>>varying points of view (which make discussions interesting).   
>>However, with these recent questions, its started to feel more like a 
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>>court of law (i.e. why this, why that, you said this, but you meant  
>>that, and its wrong).  If you have questions, then read the  
>>*research* literature and put the pieces together as others have done.
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>>    Terry
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>>On 1 Aug 2006, at 15:19, Xuan Shi wrote:
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>>>Carine,
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>>>W3C said @ http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/NOTE-ws-gloss-20040211/
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>>>"Web service
>>>There are many things that might be called "Web services" in the
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>world
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>>>at large. However, for the purpose of this Working Group and this
>>>architecture, and without prejudice toward other definitions, we will
>>>use the following definition:
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>>>A Web service is a software system designed to support interoperable
>>>machine-to-machine interaction over a network. It has an interface
>>>described in a machine-processable format (specifically WSDL). Other
>>>systems interact with the Web service in a manner prescribed by its
>>>description using SOAP-messages, typically conveyed using HTTP with
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>an
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>>>XML serialization in conjunction with other Web-related standards."
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>>>As for "WSDL-based service", I just want to STRESS on W3C  
>>>terminology of
>>>"Web services" - they should _specifically_ have a WSDL interface,  
>>>other
>>>than Web interface, you see W3C already emphasized such limitation in
>>>2004 - "There are many things that might be called "Web services"  in
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>>>the
>>>world at large.", like OWL-S people - they are talking about *Web
>>>sites*, not WSDL. I hope OWL-S people can give us a definite  
>>>explanation
>>>why they do not follow W3C specification but keep changing and
>>>transforming the concepts.
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>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Xuan
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>>>>>>Carine Bournez <carine@w3.org> 08/01/06 4:35 AM >>>
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>>>On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:08:03AM -0400, Xuan Shi wrote:
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>>>>If W3C and this SWS-IG try to define service semantics for
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>WSDL-based
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>>>>service, other than Web-site based service, people have to
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>re-examine
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>>>>the suitability of OWL-S for SWS because OWL-S targets at a wrong
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>>>object
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>>>>(Web site) other than Web service defined by W3C.
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>>>Now stop that FUD. This Interest Group is not trying to define  
>>>semantics
>>>for "WSDL-based service". The term  "WSDL-based" is a complete non- 
>>>sense
>>>and you misread (once again) the definition of the WS Arch Note.
>>>Opposing "WSDL-based" and "web-based" is of course as non-sensical as
>>>opposing REST and WSDL.
>>>
>>>Of course I will not answer any of your questions, the troll is over
>>>(at least for me, it's up to other contributors to decide if they
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>want
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>>>to lose their time).
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>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Carine Bournez -+- W3C Europe
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