- From: pat hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:59:53 -0600
- To: Sheila McIlraith <sheila@cs.toronto.edu>
- Cc: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>, Bijan Parsia <bparsia@isr.umd.edu>, public-sws-ig@w3.org
>On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Michael Kifer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>>> "BP" == Message from Bijan Parsia <<bparsia@isr.umd.edu> > writes:
>>
>> BP> We're especially
>> BP> interested if people have *problems* with this approach.
>>
>> Situation calculus is not sufficient for process modeling. You need
>> something like Golog. But Golog is *second order*, not first order.
>
>I would not eliminate situation calculus/Golog for this reason.
>
>The situation calculus is actually second order -- one of the
>foundational axioms of the situation calculus is second
>order (the axiom that defines the branching structure of the tree
>of situations). This is used for proving formal properties. It's
>there because researchers took the time to axiomatize what situations
>look like so that they could prove properties of the system. There are
>theorems that show that reasoning can be done in a first-order subset of
>the theory. Also, domains are only axiomatized in first-order logic.
>
>Indeed, certain constructs in Golog are second order, but these are
>things like while loop constructs, or iteration. You need an induction
>axiom to define such constructs formally.
Or something similar. Its not clear that you need
full 2nd-order - FO plus recursion is probably
somewhere in between 1st and 2nd - and you
certainly don't need it to use them
constructively (which I think was your point
also, right?). SCL lets you *almost* define
iteration or tail-recursion (you can't prove all
of their meta-properties in the language) and it
is strictly first-order. It does require a rather
sexy unification algorithm, however, in order to
handle sequence variables properly.
> I think definition of like
>constructs would be 2nd order in any language. In work we did not
>semantic web services using Golog [1], we defined a restricted version of
>Golog where these type of constructs had a limit on the iteration "k", for
>some k. By doing this, while loop and iteration (with a k limit) now
>become first order.
Tacky, IMO :-) and in any case this surely isn't
a practical way to do reasoning unless k is kept
rather small. You can generalize this by
allowing your FO language to contain numerals
(think of them as a datatype) and having 'k' be
schematic. Its still FO, as long as you never
quantify over k inside another quantifier, but
you don't need to have a single uniform limit.
Pat
>
>Sheila
>
>
>[1] McIlraith, S. and Son, T. ``Adapting Golog for Composition of Semantic
>Web Services''. Proceedings of the Eighth International Conference on
>Knowledge Representation and Reasoning (KR2002), pages 482-493, April,
>2002.
>
>>
>> I believe that Concurrent Transaction Logic satisfies your needs and fits
>> the intuition that Mark had (but couldn't express :-). It is also
>> first-order unless you need default negation.
>>
>> But I also believe that at some level process modeling requires defaults
>> as Benjamin argued in
>> http://ebusiness.mit.edu/bgrosof/paps/beyond-mon-inh-wking-pap-081603.pdf
>>
>>
>> --michael
>>
>>
>>
>> BP> This is to fulfill an action item on
>>me. (I hate those pesky things.)
>>
>> BP> In our last telecon, we discussed a proposal from Mark Burstein for
>> BP> ripping bits of the Semantic Web Rule Language (SWRL, neČ OWL Rules)
>> BP> proposal and plopping them into OWL
>>KBs that would purport to represent
>> BP> Process Models, in particular, the preconditions and effects of
>> BP> specific processes.
>>
>> BP> In essence, the proposal relies on hanging sets of SWRL Atoms
>> BP> (potentially with variables) off of a property attached to a
>> BP> Process-as-Instance. This would require some sort of Atom quoting
>> BP> mechanism (either reification (Mark's pick), or literals (my pick)),
>> BP> and providing some semantics for these
>>constructs (which would *not* be
> > BP> SWRLy). This was inspired by Drew
>McDermott's DRS encoding of logical
>> BP> formulas in RDF (or perhaps an attempt to make DRS all SWRLy).
>>
> > BP> In discussion, a number of issues
>arose, including whether we wanted to
>> BP> "make up our own" language in this way, or see whether SWRL (or a
>> BP> likely RDF Rules) could do the job,
>>perhaps with some extension. If we
>> BP> could identify those extensions, then we could present them to the
>> BP> various groups as requirements.
>>
>> BP> After some discussion (particularly
>>about how to handle delete lists in
>> BP> OWL), we decided that what we knew we
>>knew how to do was encode OWL-S
>> BP> process models in the situation
>>calculus[1]. We also decided to go for
>> BP> a first-order axiomatization (over,
>>say, a non-monotonic one), partly
>> BP> so we could build on SWRL/OWL-Rules,
>>but for an number of other reasons
>> BP> (prior work, familiarity, connection to other efforts such as PSL).
>> BP> Sheila McIlraith put forth the following justification:
>>
>> >> In my mind, the reason for the
>>first-order axiomatization is because I
>> >> view the process model as a specification, and I think it (as a
>> >> specification) should have a "stardard" model-theoretic semantics,
>> >> rather
>> >> than a nonmonotonic interpretation. This enables people who use
>> >> different
>> >> forms of reasoners (monotonic or nonmonotonic) to easily understand
>> >> how to
>> >> map the specification into their implementations.
>>
>> BP> We do intend to produce a mapping from this axiomatization to a
>> BP> non-monotonic one, for implementation purposes. Sheila elaborates:
>>
>> >> In particular, in the situation calculus, the solution to the frame
>> >> problem (encoding that everything stays the same unless it is
>> >> explicitly
>> >> changed by the execution of a process) is encoded using
>> >> "if-and-only-if"
>> >> (iff) axioms. These axioms are easily translated to "if" rules in a
>> >> logic
>> >> programming (i.e., nonmonotonic) reasoner. The completion semantics
>> >> of the logic program ensures that the interpretations of the logic
>> >> program
>> >> are identical to the interpretations of the original first-order
>> >> axiomatization. See [2] for details.
>> >>
>> >> E.g., the first-order logic axiom
>> >> Forall a,s.holding(cup, do(a,s)) iff a=pickup(x)
>> >>
>> >> is translated into the following logic programming rule
>> >> Forall a,s.holding(cup, do(a,x)) <- a=pickup(x)
>> >>
>> >> The interpretation is equivalent.
>>
>> BP> So, we have two classes of issue:
>> BP> 1) How much do we have to add to SWRL to get a language that a) can
>> BP> handle sitcalc and b) is otherwise sufficient?
>> BP> 2) Is the sitcalc the right way to go? What exactly will be it's
>> BP> point? (Sheila has given (some of) her view above. We're especially
>> BP> interested if people have *problems* with this approach.)
>>
>> BP> (Actually, there are other sets of
>>issues, such as it's not clear how
>> BP> to allow full OWL expressiveness into the precondition and effect
>> BP> lists, and thus how to smoothly integrate process descriptions with
>> BP> what one would expect to be the common
>>ontologies and knowledge bases
>> BP> on the Semantic Web. I expect these'll all emerge in subsequent
>> BP> discussion ;))
>>
>> BP> Cheers,
>> BP> Bijan Parsia.
>>
>>
>> BP> [1] Srini Narayanan & Sheila McIlraith , "Simulation, Verification
>> BP> and Automated Composition of Web Services"
>> BP> http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/narayanan02simulation.html
>>
>> BP> This gives a sitcalc based semantics to an earlier version of OWL-S
>> BP> (neČ DAML-S). This representation has
>>been used subsequently to provide
>> BP> translations to other formalisms and
>>ontologies (e.g., SHOP2, PSL[5],
>> BP> and others).
>>
>> BP> [2] Raymond Reiter 2001 {\it
>>Knowledge in Action: Logical Foundations
>> BP> for
>> BP> Specifying and Implementing Dynamical
>>Systems.} Cambridge, Mass.: The
> > BP> MIT Press
>>
>> BP> [3] OWL-S 1.0:
>> BP> http://www.daml.org/services/owl-s/1.0/
>>
>> BP> [4] SWRL:
>> BP> http://www.daml.org/2003/11/swrl/
>>
>> BP> [5] Michael Gruninger, "Applications
>>of PSL to Semantic Web Services"
>>
>> BP> http://www.cs.uic.edu/~ifc/SWDB/papers/Gruninger.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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