Re: Physical web project

As I mentioned in an earlier post I am working on one and most probably several papers outlining the three emerging interconnected Internets. To do so I must make a preliminary inventory of all technologies, in particular those which are using stationary or mobile devices and wireless technologies.

Through a sector by sector analysis of technologies and applicable standards we get a better view of the scope and formats for interfaces, e.g. in terms of data packets used.

For now this must be limited conceptually mainly to H2H, H2M and M2M.

 
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On Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:35 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
 


Thanks Milton

Hopefully something useful can be done in that direction, that could connect ohter bits of the semantic web standards. for example data encoded in OWL (semantic web proper) could be one of the languages the interface handles, together with others (html or whatelse)

I think we may benefit from having some screenshots of what Scott's surface
looks like, and then perhaps set up some user groups/profiles to define how to best design an interface to improve on the existing one to facilitate use

Although privacy is mostly a human concern, as you say, some data policies
also need to address various regulatory issues (so we may have to look into that), Some of these may be 'national security' issues 

I expect Scotts work is addressing the technical aspects of the project at prototype level, while when deployed in working systems regulatory issues cannot be avoided,

  I like to think that intelligent interfaces can be design to support all kind of users, including regulators, to work with the systems

Lets continue to think


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:56 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have looked at the technical spec. Have you looked at other wireless technologies and corresponding data packets and how we could create a generalization?
>To deal with all components of the Internet, whether the Internet of Data, Internet of Devices and Internet of DNA we need just two bits, since we only need to identify E=living entities, stationary like coral reefs, forests and crop fields or vegetative cover, A=Animal, D=Devices (or M=Machine) and H=Human.
>And only in the case of humans need we bother ourselves with privacy and general security issues.
>Four categories, just two bits. I proposed we do this in HTML code several years ago in a post to the semweb and lod lists of W3C.
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>The proposed scheme would allow thru HTML categorize all components and instantly create the way for the semantic web.
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>The data formats for BlueTooth, RFID, near-field and wearable sensor data packets should be looked at for such a generalization.
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>I am currently looking at near-field, wearable sensors in Health IT applications. Who else has looked e.g. at agricultural, industrial and smart vehicle applications using a similar approach?
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>Creating one universal interface may be very difficult, but creating a way of "sensing" what entity is being accessed and based on that info choosing an interface engagement protocol may just work and require little standardization!!
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>On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:25 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Scott and all
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>thanks for sharing, good to have a top view of what you are doing, and others for chipping in.  Just to clarify, what we have in the report are individual efforts, and we are hoping to be able to put together some collaborative work towards some 'standard' for
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>The primary goal is simple: Show beacons to the user as simply and easily as possible. Our current prototype uses the Android notification manager (with no sounds or vibrations) so seeing nearby beacons is just two taps. We expect other platforms to try different things.
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>From a semantic interface perspective, imho this simple goal can lead to further design considerations, including addressing privacy issues and other factors that can be addressed at interface design level.  
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>How to interact with a beacon, what to do with it, how to do it etc is something most users will need advice with, and hopefully we can help with that
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>So what I suggest, that with the help of group members, we consider the physical web project a working prototype to guide our work
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>So, we ll keep in mind your work when making our plan ahead for this group, and hopefully you can give feedback on what we are doing (useful/not )
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>Also whatever you may require in the meantime, please shout
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>The semantic web for everyone at last ? :-)!!!
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>PDM
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>On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Scott Jenson <scott@jenson.org> wrote:
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>Interesting point Miguel. Right now we gather our meta data in a very primitive way: we scrap the target html page for TITLE, DESCRIPTION, and FAVICON. That clearly needs to improve. We have been looking at JSON+LD as well as RDFa mechanisms for web pages to offer up more information, cooperating with Schema.org. However, this is very much early days and we're just starting this exploration.
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>>However, that being said, what we use for PhysicalWeb shouldn't be a limitation for your group. While we clearly is *some* interaction between our layers, we want to keep our layer as thin and focused as possible so we don't crimp any of your future ambitions.
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>>On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Miguel <miguel.ceriani@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Dear Scott and all,
>>>IMHO there is already something "semantic webby" in your approach.
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>>>What I understood of your project is that a physical object broadcast
>>>an URL through which some related information can be gathered.
>>>In a "Semantic Web of Physical Objects" view, that URL (or URI, for
>>>that purpose) could also actually identify that physical object. That
>>>would allow to gather information related to that object from
>>>different sources and not just from that single URL (e.g. independent
>>>information on a product in a super-market). Moreover it would allow
>>>the user to produce information related to the object (e.g. using an
>>>annotation service).
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>>>I think this is a very good reason for us to keep in touch with your work.
>>>What I sketched is basically a possible "semantic interpretation" over
>>>the "Physical Web" idea, not something that would necessarily add any
>>>technical requirements to your project.
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>>>To be concrete, there are potentially simple ways to make use of the
>>>semantics of physical objects.
>>>For example, if the URL broadcasted by an object points to an HTML
>>>page, RDFa can be used to embed meta-data in HTML code.
>>>Some of the meta-data could be gathered directly by the app and shown
>>>to the user somehow (an icon for the type/category of the object, a
>>>color for the time to expiration of a perishable item, ...).
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>>>Best,
>>>Miguel Ceriani
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>>>On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Scott Jenson <scott@jenson.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
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>>>>> What would help us here is some idea of what your system looks like
>>>>> (in design terms), so that we could, in principle, include any
>>>>> requirements you may have in our work
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>>>> Not sure I understand but I'll give it a shot: our system is a series of
>>>> hardware beacons that are broadcasting URIs using the BLE advertising
>>>> packet. These URIs are expected to be URLs but we are exploring other
>>>> encodings (e.g. URNs but that is a bit more speculative) This creates the
>>>> 'senders' of our system. The 'receivers' (at this time) are phones running
>>>> an app. However, that is just for prototyping purposes. We expect this to be
>>>> built into the OS for most systems. The goal of these receivers is to
>>>> collect the nearby beacons, display them to the user WHEN THEY ASK (no
>>>> proactive beeping!) rank them in some way, and if the user taps on one, take
>>>> them to that web page. The receivers, much like browsers today, can vary
>>>> quite a bit (and even be proprietary) We don't expect to 'control' the
>>>> receivers and hope there is a wide range of experiments here. What we do
>>>> need to standardize however, is the broadcasting packet so everything sends
>>>> out a URI the same way.
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>>>>> A question in return:  is the physical web already thinking what kind
>>>>> of interface is it going to have,  and would you benefit from input
>>>>> from this community (bearing in mind that we are a collection of
>>>>> individuals with different views on things),
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>>>> Of course, that is why we released early to get hard questions and
>>>> experiments. The primary goal is simple: Show beacons to the user as simply
>>>> and easily as possible. Our current prototype uses the Android notification
>>>> manager (with no sounds or vibrations) so seeing nearby beacons is just two
>>>> taps. We expect other platforms to try different things.
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>>>> Scott
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