- From: Darius Kazemi <darius.kazemi@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 12:15:05 +0900
- To: Social Web Incubator Community Group <public-swicg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CADHc3QFV-xwacGPYGnc8qYgEm4TRvmSjKMYjpHL5A6Umhn=i0g@mail.gmail.com>
Hello SWICG!
We had an excellent discussion at today's special TPAC CG meeting. We
reviewed a number of pull requests on the proposed Social Web Working Group
charter. These pull requests were co-authored by myself and Philippe Le
Hegaret of W3C in response to horizontal review
<https://www.w3.org/guide/process/charter#horizontal-review> from W3C.
There was general consensus in the meeting minutes here
<https://hedgedoc.socialweb.coop/4ZzzizKlQn2Rt-ybtcBBnQ> to merge these
pull requests, and this email is a formal Call for Consensus from the CG.
If you'd like to comment, please do so either here on the mailing list or
directly in the Github PRs discussed below.
For reference, here is the current charter draft that was under horizontal
review: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2025/social-wg.html
- PR https://github.com/swicg/potential-charters/pull/89
- This is actually a PR on the "CG/WG staging document" and not the
charter but I'm including it here for completeness' sake since it came up
in horizontal review. The PR updates the staging document
language to make
it consistent with the new W3C Process. Simply put, the document referred
to "Proposed Recommendation" but that [no longer exists in the Process](
https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#old-terms) so this change
updates the language to simply refer to Recommendation.
- PR https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/pull/721
- Moving on to actual charter changes, this is a three-parter PR.
- HR noted that the "Workflow for Active Items" would probably be
a better fit under "Participation" than under "Scope", so the
first commit
in this PR simply moves it to "Participation" without
changing any language.
- The second commit in the PR address that the same Workflow
subsection refers to Chair elections, which is not something
that is part
of W3C Process for Working Groups. Chairs of W3C WGs are
appointed by the
W3C Team, not elected. (On a personal note my guess is this
was left over
from a CG chartering draft, where Chair elections can be a thing.)
- The third commit adds language that specifies our interest in
bringing in Invited Experts from SWICG. Horizontal review
thought it would
be useful to specify in order to make application for Invited Expert
easier. This is all intended to be part of the process where
work done in
the CG can be "promoted" into the WG, and we'd like to bring in
authors/stewards of that work into the WG as a part of that
process. By
specifying it here, it makes the application to be an Invited
Expert from a
CG member go smoother and easier.
- PR https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/pull/723
- This PR updates the mission statement, background and scope.
- Two changes to language just update things to be a little
clearer (changing language to be more active like "would
maintain" to "will
maintain")
- Adding a sentence to Scope which specifically references
"further deliverables" linked to the incubation process. This
is to ensure
that as new work gets incubated from the CG, we have the
option to bring it
into the WG.
- PR https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/pull/724
- This fixes old language (a spec itself is what needs a privacy &
security section, not each "substantive change")
- PR https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/pull/725
- This PR clarifies coordination with the CG. There are two sentences
changed here.
- "This group is expected to coordinate with the Social Web
Incubator Community Group on consensus-based proposals
related to content
changes for the Social Web Working Group Deliverables." is
changed to "The
Working Group is expected to request reviews from the
Community Group of
all of the Working Group deliverables."
- The reasoning is that the WG charter can't mandate
"coordination" with an outside group but the charter can
mandate that the
WG do certain things like request reviews.
- Removal of the sentence "The Chairs of this group should reject
proposals that are incompatible with this Charter."
- The two objections from horizontal review were that 1) Chairs
already have the right to reject proposals and the duty to
do so when they
are out of scope, and 2) "incompatible" is not a meaningful term.
Ultimately the sentence is saying the Chairs should behave
like Chairs are
supposed to, so the suggestion was removal.
There is some interesting discussion in the minutes
<https://hedgedoc.socialweb.coop/4ZzzizKlQn2Rt-ybtcBBnQ> of the above,
particularly for PR 725. I'll highlight that Aram Zucker-Scharff of the
Private Advertising Technology WG noted that they have a similar CG to WG
incubation process and what we are proposing here is pretty well in line
with what has worked for them.
This CfC will be open for 14 days from sending of this email, approximately
early morning Nov 28 GMT.
Thank you all for your continued patience and comment!
-Darius
Received on Friday, 14 November 2025 03:15:37 UTC