Re: SocialWeb CG Feb 7, 2025 call - possible agenda item

po 10. 2. 2025 v 18:13 odesílatel Aaron Gray <aaronngray@gmail.com> napsal:

> I had a long 2 hour 20 minute talk with Amelia about the idea of forming a
> SWICG Community Task Force for this and what it came down to was what would
> come out of this in terms of tangible deliverables we both came to
> concordance on that twice in the conversation. However I do really feel we
> do need to have a wider remit and scope and for the group to at least have
> enough of a handle on both the pros and cons of what AI is going to bring
> both positively and negatively to the ActivityPub and ActivityStreams based
> communities. I think we should at least have a side meeting or series of
> meetings that hash out what everyone brings to the table with all
> interested parties so we can discuss it in earnest. There's a lot for all
> of us to learn from each other in this area and the possibility of
> integration of standards and the cross space needs to be understood and
> explored whether it's within the SWICG or outside and could possibly bring
> in a wider community.
>

Sounds good.  Agentic Linked Data is on the agenda for the Solid Community
Group meeting on Wednesday, too:

https://hackmd.io/37jVEmCXS-Gjc6840tqDtw

We will explore a work item or a task force, or at least, ask for some
guidance.  Solid also is already part of a working group, which should
hopefully produce a new standards next year.

Given that Solid ~= Social Linked Data, there should be some healthy
overlap with anything done here.


> Kind regards,
>
> Aaron
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, 17:45 Melvin Carvalho, <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> pá 7. 2. 2025 v 12:58 odesílatel Aaron Gray <aaronngray@gmail.com>
>> napsal:
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I would like to briefly bring up in todays meeting an agenda item
>>> concerning the idea of possibly creating an AI, robots, and Agents CG
>>> possibly as a Task Force or longer lived "Agentic Social Group" to use
>>> Melvin's term. This was triggered by Bob's recent post on ActivityPub and
>>> AI.
>>>
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2025Feb/0000.html
>>>
>>> This would be to look at the possible benefits and also the impacts of
>>> AI on ActivityPub and ActivityStreams ecosystems and into mitigation and
>>> usage in terms of moderation and also the wider implications socially and
>>> technically.
>>>
>>> I know there are cross cutting concerns with moderation and The
>>> ActivityPub Trust and Safety Taskforce. I do feel this is a separate
>>> parallel, much wider area that needs to be looked at in its own merit as
>>> well as in connection with the moderation, security and safety issues.
>>>
>>> We need to establish the knowledge, insight, and people in order to
>>> guide SWICG, ActivityPub and Activity Streams through these technological
>>> developments we find ourselves with, including possible effects on the
>>> protocols from issues like such as AI fuzzing attempts, to social
>>> engineering by AI's, through to how we deal with and approach and
>>> facilitate Avatars and Agents.
>>>
>>> I have to say unfortunately at this point I would not want or be able to
>>> head this group but really feel it needs to be put in place. This is due to
>>> my absence of experience in leading such a group and also due to other
>>> duties and current projects, such as studying AI. But, given my existing
>>> knowledge and insights into the impact of AI I would love to be a
>>> contributributing member and to see this happen.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Aaron
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up.  I like the direction this is going.  Just
>> wanted to do a radar check for the w3c webagents group:
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/community/webagents/
>>
>> They are a great group, active, and may have some intersection with what
>> you are suggesting.
>>
>> Best
>> Melvin
>>
>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Aaron
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