Re: Should ActivityPub require HTTPS in public web deployments?

Make an issue in GitHub.

It's a normative change, not backwards compatible, so it would need to 
wait until a Working Group is chartered to publish a future version of 
ActivityPub.

Evan

On 2024-03-13 6:43 a.m., Emelia Smith wrote:
> Splitting this out from the recent Data Portability thread, currently 
> the ActivityPub spec only has HTTPS as a SHOULD not a MUST, in 2024 
> that seems like an unwise decision given:
>
> - Most AP software mandates HTTPS connections when sending
>
> - Most browsers enforce HTTPS now and warn on insecure connections
>
> - It is very straightforward to get a free SSL certificate provisioned 
> via LetsEncrypt
>
> Would it be an idea to change this to a SHOULD when deployed publicly 
> on the web? (i.e., localhost & private testing networks don't need 
> HTTPS, but servers that are publicly federating do)
>
> Yours,
> Emelia
>
>> On 13. Mar 2024, at 03:10, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Lots to unpack here. Main things: ActivityPub does require HTTPS. 
>> Also, the standard way to do server to server authentication is with 
>> HTTP Signature, which one of our groups is documenting now.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2024 19:03, Lisa Dusseault <lisa@dtinit.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     I recently finished a series of blog
>>     <https://dtinit.org/blog/2024/03/12/access-content-spoofing-threats>
>>     posts <https://dtinit.org/blog/2024/01/16/threat-model-pt-one> to
>>     catalogue threat models for data portability.  I expect it's a
>>     little bit of heavy reading, so maybe don't read it!  It's over
>>     general!   But I hoped it would be useful as a list and explainer
>>     of things to consider.
>>
>>     So here's the list of general threats, applied specifically to
>>     the use case of moving a user's account and activity from one
>>     ActivityPub server to another via server-to-server pull.
>>
>>     *Disclosure and Indirect disclosure* -  ActivityPub doesn’t seem
>>     to require HTTPS/TLS.  Is it assumed? Should it be required for
>>     data portability use cases?
>>
>>     *Tampering* again should this require TLS?
>>
>>     *Non-repudiation* To the extent that the destination server
>>     trusts the source server, repudiation shouldn’t be a big problem.
>>     Should source server certificates be required?
>>
>>     *Denial of Service*
>>     * It must be possible for a data transfer activity itself to be
>>     halted or throttled on either side.  One proposal: the
>>     destination initiates transfer and requests content items — it
>>     can stop any time it reaches quotas or other limits.  Meanwhile,
>>     the source server can throttle request handling. This is often
>>     done at lower layers than the transfer protocol, so it may not
>>     need any solving at the ActivityPub layer.
>>
>>     * Could bulk activity transfer  be used to aid DOS attacks
>>     elsewhere?  E.g. When bulk transferring activities, the
>>     destination service should NOT process each new item in the
>>     outbox and target and deliver those activities to the to, bto,
>>     cc, bcc or audience fields.
>>
>>     *Elevation of privilege* Servers accepting new data in bulk
>>     transfer must do the same checks for buffer overflow or similar
>>     attacks that they would for any new data. This doesn’t need
>>     protocol work, just a note.
>>
>>     *Non-compliance*. Servers accepting new data must review that
>>     data for their own compliance requirements such as meeting CSAM
>>     regulations.
>>
>>     *Harmful content* servers accepting new data must review that
>>     data for their own harmful content policies.
>>
>>     *Spoofing* This needs careful protocol design for the S2S part -
>>     to define how an ActivityPub server makes sure that another
>>     ActivityPub server is who they say they are when they ask for
>>     user-approved access to non-public data.  I’m assuming *user*
>>     anti-spoofing is through existing authentication mechanisms.
>>
>>     *Permissions and access controls* - Part of this is unilateral on
>>     each side.  On the source side, the source server should allow
>>     the user to confirm that it is granting access to private
>>     information when a data portability request is made.  On the
>>     destination side, the destination server should confirm whether
>>     the imported data is going to be public or not.  However, we do
>>     need to make sure that silent and private activities are
>>     transferred as such.
>>
>>     What have I overlooked in this analysis? What bad assumptions
>>     have I made?
>>
>>     Lisa
>>
>>

Received on Wednesday, 13 March 2024 13:30:29 UTC