Re: SWICG CG Charter

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 at 17:01, Juan Caballero <virtualofficehours@gmail.com>
wrote:

> When you say "the charter", which do you mean?  We're hoping to get a CG
> charter ratified soon, and the "staging process" also shipped fairly soon,
> before normative scope.  All the "new scope" you're talking about would
> probably have to go to one or more of the WG Charter drafts, right?
>

i was presuming the CG as in the email subject line as I am not part of the
WG only the CG.

Aaron


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> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 4:48 PM Aaron Gray <aaronngray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think we all own many thanks to Evan for taking on the whole of the
>> Issue Triage process and getting ActivityPub and ActivityStreams into a
>> state to go forwards.
>>
>> I do go with Tamtek's approach to this but would also like to bring up
>> the following.
>>
>> Charter remit. Domain, coverage, and scope.
>>
>> There are many inherent problems in both AP/AS and also in Social Media
>> as a medium, there are also social-political, political, commercial versus
>> non-commercial and also between individual protocols, implementations, and
>> implementers.
>>
>> I would like us to pave the way for the standards to go far far beyond
>> the microblogging Twitter level of Social Media and for The Charter to
>> reflect, allow, and prepare the way for this.
>>
>> To do this I think we need to bring a server "capabilities" model into
>> ActivityPub/ActivityStreams where webfinger can get both supported
>> ActivityStreams extensions, and also a set of supported media types, this
>> can default to the existing ActivityStreams 2 context, and be an array of
>> supported contexts and terms.
>>
>> There is a tension between the usage of just JSON based packets and
>> JSON-LD based, this reflects levels of complexity for implementers and in
>> implementations and needs to be resolved by the CG and WG and not swept
>> under the carpet and for us to shy away from this or hide intentions for
>> the sake of one camp or another.
>>
>> Server management on a technical, social, and political level is not part
>> of the standard(s) and really needs examining properly, the existing
>> implementations and solutions. How well can this be documented, formalized,
>> and standardized will be an interesting problem, but I think we need to
>> bring this whole area into the fold and reflect this in the charter.
>>
>> This may all be opening a can of worms, and hope this is not ignored, but
>> I really think we need a wider remit and scope, and this will be necessary
>> in order for the standards and future standard to keep up with and in fact
>> lead the field. paving the way for creating and nurturing Social Media,
>> Networking, and Collaboration Systems, which will emergently become a
>> continuum.
>>
>> From looking at the charter most of what I am presenting here would end
>> up in the Out of Scope section.
>>
>> The reasoning behind me bringing all this up, is having seen a wider view
>> and longer term context to both the web and social media's development. We
>> are still stuck in an infancy of 20 years of FaceBook's user interface, and
>> 18 years of Twitter/X'es user interface and functionality not really
>> changing to any degree, and in fact with the case of FaceBook's even being
>> retrograde.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher
>> and Designer, Amateur Type Theorist, Amatuer Computer Scientist,
>> Environmentalist and Climate Science Researcher and Disseminator.
>>
>>

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Aaron Gray - @AaronNGray@fosstodon.org | @aaronngray@threads.net

Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher and
Designer, Amateur Type Theorist, Amatuer Computer Scientist,
Environmentalist and Climate Science Researcher and Disseminator.