Re: Scope for a possible new SocialWeb (AP/AS2) W3C Working Group charter

Ășt 19. 9. 2023 v 20:40 odesĂ­latel James <> napsal:

> Thank you for sharing this list, Dmitri!
> To echo what Dmitri stated, a WG is not an end unto itself.
> With that said, this is an opportunity for us to progress several pieces
> of standards work based on our years of learning and seeing standards
> implemented and used in the real world.
> On the topic of scope, I would like us to consider the following:
>    1. Incubating rel=me as a W3C Note. IANA added rel=me to its link
>    registry yesterday (
>    A lot of work has been done with rel=me but not all of it codified into a
>    single, refined document.
>    2. Advancing IndieAuth from a Note to a Standards Track document.
>    IndieAuth now has at least a dozen client and server implementations, with
>    supporting infrastructure implemented in at least seven programming
>    languages (see a list of client, server, and library implementations at
>    3. Advancing Microsub to a Standards Track document. Microsub has five
>    client and seven documented server implementations (
>    4. Private posts on the web. Initial work has been done in this regard
>    with TicketAuth (, although
>    has failed to garner additional efforts over the years. There are at least
>    five implementations by separate people, but I would need to hear
>    explicitly that at least a few people would be interested in advancing this
>    work. I believe in this initiative because of its utility: web-native
>    private posts address a gap in expression on the web that has not been
>    covered to the same extent as public posts.
>    5. Micropub extensions with multiple interoperable implementations for
>    inclusion in the main specification (
They seem like reasonable items.  What happened before was that there were
user stories describing how the technologies could be used.  Regarding
rel=me, it is quite widely used now (I think).  IMHO one advantage of it,
is that it's very easy to type and add to a page for developers (DevX).
I'll point out it does introduce a certain ambiguity in saying "this page
is me".  You might like someone's home page (styles, design, layout etc.)
but not like the person.  Just an observation.

> Much work has been done over the years to advance ideas, with
> documentation, Issues, implementations, usage, community discussion and
> code as proof of said advancement, links to which can be found by browsing
> relevant links on the afore-linked pages.
> I do recognize that the above is a lot. These are my ideas, not a
> position. I would love input on what I have said above. I further invite
> input to all other threads on this topic, too; a lot of meaningful
> discussion has occured.
> James
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Tuesday, September 19th, 2023 at 12:19, Dmitri Zagidulin <
>> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Over the past week or so, there's been some great discussion (both <a
> href="">at TPAC</a> and
> on the <a href="">fediverse</a>)
> about whether to work with W3C to charter a new Working Group (for example,
> for spec maintenance and errata purposes, although other scopes have been
> discussed as well).
> I'd like to assure some of the concerned community members that a Working
> Group is not an end in and of itself. It's just a tool (admittedly, a
> heavyweight and powerful one) to accomplish the goals of the community. And
> so, it makes sense to discuss and vote on specific scopes to a potential WG
> charter, and only kick off the process if there's agreement on those scopes.
> Here's my example scope proposal, to start the discussion:
> The SocialCG and the Fediverse community propose chartering a W3C Working
> Group for the purposes of specification maintenance of the ActivityPub and
> ActivityStreams 2 specifications.
> In scope:
> * Integrating the errata and fixes that have accumulated to the AP/AS2
> specs.
> * Minor normative changes or clarifications to those specs that document
> extensive implementation experience, and have agreement from the community.
> Out of scope:
> * Authentication and identity
> * Portability profiles (profile import/export).
> Thanks!

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