Re: A native internet protocol for social media

čt 4. 5. 2023 v 19:03 odesílatel Melvin Carvalho <>

> st 12. 4. 2023 v 13:21 odesílatel hellekin <> napsal:
>> On 2023-04-12 12:16, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>> > Jack Dorsey, co-founder of Twitter, recently spoke about the need for
>> > an international native protocol for social media. He also announced
>> > his plans to start funding social protocols, beginning with a $1
>> > million annual donation to Signal. There is an ongoing discussion
>> > around reducing social media's dependence on the domain name system.
>> > While a federated approach is better than a centralized one, nomadic
>> > identity could provide even greater benefits. This can potentially be
>> > achieved by fixing the ActivityPub standard to allow inverse
>> > functional properties and also by addressing issues with the linked
>> > data vocabularies. It would be valuable to discuss these ideas and
>> > explore potential solutions further within the context of the
>> > community group.
>> >
>> >
>> Here is what I have to say about Jack Dorsey's prose (I double-quote to
>> avoid any confusion with what Melvin would have said earlier ;)
>> >> Social media must be resilient to corporate and government control.
>> Here we agree. He should have thought about it earlier when he did not
>> make Twitter resilient from the start by making it free software.
>> >> Only the original author may remove content they produce.
>> I'm not sure about this. Spammers are the tip of the iceberg of why. I
>> think Dorsey takes a naive position claiming social media are not
>> hostile. And authorship, really? Are we not on our way to remove this
>> cult of personality?
>> >> Moderation is best implemented by algorithmic choice.
>> Like, what? An algorithm would be better at ethics than a human? I get
>> the point that exposing humans to the kind of horror posted on "mass
>> social media" could encourage looking the other way and letting the bots
>> take the blow, but I really think that 'moderation' is a feature of the
>> (human) collective, not to be automated.
>>  From there, I think the rest of the article becomes much less
>> interesting. We all know the drill of the repentant entrepreneur who
>> realize that their work was causing harm to society.
>> Now, if I consider some arguments with a kind eye...
>> >> It’s critical that the people have tools to resist this, and that
>> >> those tools are ultimately owned by the people.
>> Please, come and embrace free software.
>> >> I’m a strong believer that any content produced by someone for the
>> >> internet should be permanent until the original author chooses to
>> >> delete it. It should be always available and addressable. Content
>> >> takedowns and suspensions should not be possible.
>> I'm not opposed to this in principle, if spammers are not "someone". For
>> the technical part, ERIS, the Encoding for Robust Immutable Storage
>> seems to me the best way to achieve this part of the deal.
>> But then...
>> >> The internet is trending towards a world were storage is “free” and
>> >> infinite, which places all the actual value on how to discover and see
>> >> content.
>> Well, the Internet is on a planet that does not trend towards infinite
>> availability. I certainly hope we'll prioritize water for directly
>> sustaining life and not making more chips.
>> >> Which brings me to the last principle: moderation. I don’t believe a
>> >> centralized system can do content moderation globally.
>> Thank Dorsey for stating the obvious. Also for stating that no algorithm
>> at all may be an option for moderation.
>> >> A “follow” action should always deliver every bit of content from the
>> >> corresponding account
>> Well, that is: if this specific account allows that follower in the
>> first place. I find it tricky that Dorsey is considering accounts to be
>> public ones, or at least not mentioning that this is not the case.
>> >> The problem today is that we have companies who own both the protocol
>> >> and discovery of content.
>> Here we go again. Dorsey is not unfamiliar to free software. Yet, he
>> argues that the (about 15) existing free and open protocols for social
>> media today are irrelevant to his declaration. He takes for granted that
>> there should be one global public conversation --- no, thank you.
>> Fragmentation of the public space is pretty much a feature, as it is one
>> guarantee that no SPOF will appear.
>> Now,the rest I cannot see with a kind eye, because of the previous
>> divergence...
>> >> Many of you won’t trust this solution just because it’s me stating it.
>> No, it does not matter who states it, it matter how it is stated, what
>> it does say about your intentions. And your intentions are to make more
>> business, more profit. It has nothing to do with the social, cooperative
>> approach that make the core of social media based on free software,
>> decentralized instances, and interoperable small islands in the Net.
>> Jack Dorsey wants "phenomenal business" and he wants to tap into the
>> "massive collection of conversation". This is hubris talking again.
>> >> I do believe absolute transparency builds trust.
>> I do believe selective opacity builds confidence. And I take the
>> opportunity of Dorsey endorsing Wikileaks to quote Julian Assange:
>> "Transparency for the state! Privacy for the rest of us!" --- I include
>> corporations in the State, since at all levels, the lever of Growth is
>> commanding spending public money to "create jobs" and so on (it took
>> 3000 years for the theory of price to come back to the original
>> Aristotle version that power makes price, not the so-called 'law of
>> offer and demand').
>> As far as I know, more knowledge does not always translate into more
>> action. The Snowden Apocalypse, as I like to claim, was only the Snowden
>> revelations, as the press got to call it, and many other massive leaks
>> followed, and Dorsey's still wondering how to make money and claiming
>> "there's nothing to hide... only a lot to learn from". One thing we
>> could have learned from all those leaks is that things move slowly, way
>> too slowly when the imbalance of power is threatening all life on Earth.
>> Criminals remain in place, belligerent strategies remain the norm,
>> "public" investment keeps engaging in warfare, while global private
>> banking remains a stronghold of corruption and dangerous investment
>> policies. More of the same.
>> >> This is a focused and urgent push for a foundational core technology
>> >> standard to make social media a native part of the internet.
>> Oh, maybe something like GNUnet, RetroShare, Tor or I2P...
>> "to make social media a native part of the Internet" is such an empty
>> phrase. What do you mean by it Jack Dorsey? I may give you the benefit
>> of the doubt, remembering that R. Buckminster Fuller wrote that
>> "humanity invented all the right technologies for all the wrong
>> reasons."
> Jack's participation in nostr has been really great.  The main thing that
> he spends his time on is welcoming newbies.  He has an incredible humour,
> and is a breath of fresh air.  He's able to express himself amazingly well
> with a fwe words, which is perhaps why microblogging was his thing.
> In the 6 months he's been involved with nostr, he's done nothing but help,
> but NOT monetarily.  As a member of the community.  He did give the
> community 200k to distribute, no strings.  But the vast majority of that is
> unspent.  Here and there developers get a 1k grant for making a full
> twitter clone.  Most devs spend more than that anyway.  Less than a single
> NLNet grant has been distributed to date.
> Jack also organized the 400 person unconference in Costa Rica and paid for
> the food.  He only asked for one thing in return, and that was, to leave
> the place better that they found it.
> It's easy to be cynical, and sometimes good to be, but Jack has been the
> perfect gent so far, and I think even if he was penniless he would rise to
> the most respected person in the community quite quickly.  I really would
> encourage a good faith attitude as the best way to make progress.
> Having said all that, I'm really happy to share that Jack has donated 10M
> to open projects, half of which will go to Nostr.  That will be 20 times
> everything it has ever got.  So hopefully that can pay for some relays and
> help take our joint work to a new level.
> But we should also consider the whole open social web and one space.
> Working to create bridges will benefit everyone.  Today I started on a
> design of a micro framework for tedi that can implement AP and also other
> protocols, including Solid.
> Mainly design and boiler plate right now, but it will be a good exercise
> to add cose and implement the latest specs.

Full ANN:

We are delighted to announce that OpenSats has received a generous donation
of $10 million from Jack Dorsey's philanthropic initiative, #startsmall,
which will be used to support the development of free and open-source
software and projects focusing on bitcoin, nostr, and related technologies.

OpenSats' mission is to help build a sustainable ecosystem and provide
consistent funding for free and open-source projects and protocols. We
believe that free software and open protocols are necessary for a free and
prosperous society. Without software that protects the individual user's
rights and freedoms, and without digital infrastructure that is open to
all, modern society risks slipping further into digital totalitarianism.

OpenSats will continue to be a 100% pass-through operation, meaning that
all donated funds will be fully allocated to projects vetted by the
OpenSats board of directors unless they are specifically provided for
operational purposes. #startsmall's donation includes funding for OpenSats'
operational budget, which will allow us to remain 100% pass-through, expand
efforts, and streamline operations as a 501(c)(3) public charity going

Half of the donation amount—$5m USD—will be dedicated to advancing the new
and growing nostr ecosystem. We have set up a committee of nostr developers
and tinkerers, including fiatjaf and NVK, who will help us to evaluate
projects and protocol contributions. If you are working on nostr and
looking for funding, please apply here:

As part of expanding these efforts, NVK and Gigi are joining the OpenSats
board to help with our organizational and funding decisions. Gigi will be
joining in a full-time capacity to lead our ongoing operations and strategy.

The structure of OpenSats remains unchanged: we want to create a
sustainable, independent, and consistent ecosystem of funding for bitcoin,
nostr, and other open-source projects. Having multiple open-source
contributors on our board—tenured core devs among them—helps us to better
understand what is needed to put effective long-term support structures
into place.

We are excited to work with contributors, industry, and the wider free and
open-source community to help ship the freedom tools that are so
desperately needed. We can't wait to see what you are going to build.

In the words of Cypherpunk founder Eric Hughes:
"Let us proceed together apace. Onward."

>> ==
>> hk
>> P.S.: congratulations for getting Dorsey support for Nostr, Melvin.

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