Re: SWEO minutes - 17 Oct 2007

Lee Feigenbaum wrote:
> I've attached the cleaned-up minutes. Ivan, perhaps you can put them in
> their usual location please?
> 

Done

Ivan

P.S. Just finished my presentation at the University...

> thanks,
> Lee
> 
> 
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> W3C <http://www.w3.org/>
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>   SWEO Weekly
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> 
>     17 Oct 2007
> 
> See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-SWEO-irc>
> 
> 
>     Attendees
> 
> Present
>     Susie, Dunja, danja, kidehen, LeeF, MartinD, leobard, bengee, Karen 
> Regrets
>     Pasquale, Ivan, Uldis
> Chair
>     Susie
> Scribe
>     LeeF
> 
> 
>     Contents
> 
>     * Topics <#agenda>
>          1. Semantic Web flyer <#item01>
>          2. Semantic Web Logo <#item02>
>          3. Use Cases <#item03>
>          4. information gathering <#item04>
>          5. URI document <#item05>
>          6. linking open data project <#item06>
>          7. knowee <#item07>
>          8. preferred document collection <#item08>
>          9. enterprise survey <#item09>
>         10. F2F meeting <#item10>
>     * Summary of Action Items <#ActionSummary>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Susie: today: flyer, use cases, info gathering, URI document
> ... document collection, enterprise survey
> ... F2F next week
> 
> <scribe> Scribe: LeeF
> 
> 
>       Semantic Web flyer
> 
> Susie: Ivan and I had call with Ian Jacobs regarding flyer text
> ... I sent revised version to Dunja
> 
> Dunja: Discussed flyer with a colleague; the flyer might promise things
> that the SemWeb cannot provide yet
> ... also existing software can solve some described scenarios
> ... e.g. decision support
> ... scenario on last page should involve searching the Web, rather than
> searching a firm's databases
> ... job seekers can publish resumes on their own Web sites and can be
> found automatically
> ... misses layer cake :-)
> 
> Susie: Seems to warrant offline discussion
> 
> <PaulaP> -1 for last page of the SW flyer
> 
> Susie: back page has scenario comparing traditional and SemWeb approches
> for identifying candidates for a widget role
> ... (Susie reads scenario)
> 
> <PaulaP> I still think that we should have the SW layer cake on the last
> page
> 
> Karen: Maybe the brochure can go on the SWEO F2F agenda?
> ... when talking to enterprises, I see a need to be specific vis a vis
> complex queries
> ... that you can't do with traditional technologies
> ... Recently several financial services organizations have shown
> interest in Sem Web - perhaps a good area for an example
> 
> Susie: older version of scenario text had more detail
> ... (reads older scenario)
> 
> kidehen: who's driving this use case scenario? there's a fundamental
> aspect that we're not mentioning
> ... the fact that you can canonicalize these queries through a pointer
> called a URI
> 
> <Karen> +1 complex queries through URIs
> 
> kidehen: we need to show how a single URI can be used as a vehicle to
> expose data from queries over disparate databases
> ... that's the real difference
> 
> Susie: the 2nd page of the brochure talks about the Web of Data
> 
> <danja> re. grddl,
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Oct/0065.html
> 
> Susie: doesn't mention URIs specifically due to intended audience
> 
> <PaulaP> +1 to high-level, -1 to detailed use cases
> 
> kidehen: if we start with a pyramid, start with data sources, then
> SPARQL... apex is URI
> ... executives are able to deal with a URI
> ... otherwise people will say they already say they have a dashboard
> that gives them this info in a dashboard
> 
> LeeF: Don't think that URIs are a selling point to non-technical people
> 
> kidehen: information at your fingertips, not URIs per se
> 
> Susie: Dunja, PaulaP, Ivan and I will have a meeting on enhancing
> brochure, then we can discuss based on the full contents of the brochure
> 
> 
>       Semantic Web Logo
> 
> <Dunja> +1
> 
> Susie: some confusion between previously existing RDF triple logo and
> new Semantic Web logo
> 
> bengee: people seem to generally like the logo
> ... bit of unhappiness on the feeling that the process was not open
> ... also unhappiness surrounding the usage policy of the logo
> ... if we continue, maybe the process should be more open
> 
> Susie: When we do the work on the pictogram, we should involve other
> people in the process
> 
> <kidehen> LeeF: URI aided faceted navigation of Information at your
> fingertips is my point
> 
> LeeF: asks about usage policy
> 
> Susie: Ian Jacobs is reviewing and will mail semantic-web@w3.org
> ... Ian feels strongly about using cube together with W3C text
> ... policy on linking to W3c SemWeb activity may be loosened for
> presentations, brochures, etc
> 
> 
>       Use Cases
> 
> <Karen> +1 Susie on Lilly use case!
> 
> Susie: I wrote up a use case for Lilly and published it
> ... also one published from Cleveland Clinic
> ... feedback from Bijan on mailing list asking for technology-specific
> search facets
> ... feedback at Cambridge SW Gathering that it would be good to
> personalize use cases and case studies
> ... pictures, quotations, contact information
> 
> <danja> (personalizing sounds a very good idea)
> 
> Susie: at the F2F we'll discuss what information we want so that we can
> reach out to people for additional information
> 
> 
>       information gathering
> 
> leobard: there are bugs to fix to improve the service
> 
> (discusison of Internet Explorer interactions with info gathering service)
> 
> leobard: no other feedback
> 
> 
>       URI document
> 
> Susie: TAG is still discussing URIs
> 
> leobard: been in communication with TAG, looked into SWD
> ... hoping for specific feedback
> ... the process might be sped up if we find another editor (Richard C is
> at DERI for a while)
> 
> MartinD: I can help, but not before November
> 
> 
>       linking open data project
> 
> kidehen: opencyc is latest addition
> 
> 
>       knowee
> 
> bengee: coming along, prototype is up but not announced
> ... determined to make announcement today
> ... will post announcement and put in a blog at knowee.org
> ... also knowee.net where a reference implementation will be available
> with some testing accounts
> 
> 
>       preferred document collection
> 
> danja: I've put together scripts to grab things from del.icio.us et al
> ... easy to grab resources
> ... not as easy to figure out what should be included and what shouldn't
> ... grab resources, put into revyu.com to be rated
> 
> Susie: would like to discuss at F2F
> 
> danja: will try to gather more to be ready for F2F, though I won't be at
> F2F myself
> 
> 
>       enterprise survey
> 
> Karen: some more progress to get it ready for Sept Semantic Technologies
> thing which was canceled
> ... will try to finish it off to be shown next week
> 
> 
>       F2F meeting
> 
> Susie: we have a video conference room at MIT
> 
> <leobard> we start at 08:30
> 
> <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2007-10-24_Conference_Call
> 
> (discussion of meeting bfeore meeting to setup video call)
> 
> <bengee> leobard, I'll arrive at about 3pm (local time)
> 
> <LeeF_> (Susie discusses agenda)
> 
> <LeeF_> ... will be dinner at Cambridge Brewing Company overlapping with
> monthly Cambridge SW Gathering and with RDF/RDB workshop attendee
> 
> <LeeF_> s
> 
> <Dunja> Dunja will dial in as well
> 
> <Dunja> too far :(
> 
> Susie: AOB?
> 
> adjourned
> 
> 
>     Summary of Action Items
> 
> [End of minutes]
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> $Date: 2007/10/17 14:57:07 $
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