- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:59:25 +0100
- To: kidehen@openlinksw.com
- Cc: public-sweo-ig@w3.org
- Message-ID: <45E3D6CD.2040100@w3.org>
Kingsley Idehen wrote: >> >> I am not sure I fully understood everything that was happening (eg, if I >> say order by 'knows' and then say 'group', I get an empty page saying >> 'false'; I also do not fully understand why certain person I know appear >> under the 'knows' filter and certain do not...). I presume this is still >> project-in-the-making... >> > > Ivan, > > It is a work in progress. > >> But that goes beyond sweo for now. >> > > > The relevance to SWEO is: yet another demonstration of Data Web > traversal. One for the list of usage scenarios (of the none speculative > variety). > Kingsley, please, there is no reason to start this...:-) What I meant is: possible errors, bugs, 'work in progress' status, etc, *is* beyond sweo! Ivan > By Wednesday, you can use the same link and you will see improvements > (anything I put out is inherently fluid; a characteristic of the Data > Web). The same applies to the Dynamic Start Pages demo's from my recent > blog posts. > > > The key point here is addressing the "Show something different, > practical, and relevant from the world of RDF..." question. We have to > be able to answer this question in a variety of forms. I am > demonstrating how browsing actually differs in the Data Web realm when > following typed data links. > > Please understand that I am not asking SWEO to promote these things, I > am simply trying to provide SWEO with reference material. It makes me > cringe when I see other communities taking the: "Show me something > relevant from the RDF realm...." stance re. the Semantic Web as the > basis for undermining the Semantic Web vision. > > As I have stated repeatedly, this is not about a single tool or demo, it > is about a plethora or tools and demos that are centered around the > power of RDF: integration of disparate data sources built atop disparate > schemas. No other Web Technology realm has an answer for these issues > (what I refer to as the "M" in the M-V-C patter of the Web). > >> I also use Chris' Bizer Dolce sometimes. That is also a nice one. >> >> > > Yes, they are all nice :-) We are all working together (even closer than > may be obvious on the surface). We just need to get all relevant efforts > out there in a coherent manner by leveraging the infrastructure that > others provide. > > Kingsley > >> Ivan >> >> >> >> >> >>> 2. http://3ba.se/ (Ontowiki) >>> >>> 3. http://demo.openlinksw.com/isparql (note the same underlying >>> technology drives item 1). >>> >>> When playing with 1 or 2. Experiment with the following URLs as RDF Data >>> Source URIs: >>> >>> 1. >>> http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/22/the-semantic-web-complexity-versus-simplicity >>> >>> >>> 2. http://del.icio.us/events/sweo >>> 3. http://danbri.org >>> 4. http://dannyayers.com >>> 5. http://techcrunch.com >>> 6. http://vecosys.com >>> >>> >>> In each case, just click on the links presented in the results pages. >>> Hopefully, the difference between Hypertext Browsing and Data Web >>> browsing should become a little clearer :-) >>> >>> >>> Kingsley >>> >>> >>> >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> *From: * public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org >>>> [_mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org_] * On Behalf Of* Paul >>>> Walsh, Segala >>>> *Sent: * 22 February 2007 11:20 >>>> *To: * 'W3C SWEO IG' >>>> *Subject: * Now it's RDF vs Microformats >>>> >>>> Thought some of you might like to comment on this [1]. I’m >>>> going >>>> to write a post addressing the same topic but to counter Sam’s >>>> misunderstanding and his failure to understand that Microformats >>>> is (part of) the Semantic Web – addressing approximately 1% (+- >>>> 1% ;)) of the Semantic Web potential and using an extremely good >>>> hacked method that’s not based on standards. >>>> >>>> Ok now that I’ve said it without thinking properly (which >>>> can be >>>> a good thing), what do you think about my use of the word hacked >>>> (I won’t quote you). >>>> >>>> I met David Recordon [2] last night and talked about OpenID and >>>> how to get FOAF into the mix. This is something I’ve chatted >>>> (briefly) about with Philip Hallam-Baker and Dan Brickley, who >>>> have the same view. I’d like to push this conversation if >>>> anyone >>>> here is interested in helping to make it a reality and not just >>>> a conversation. >>>> >>>> I’ll use my talk tonight [3] as an opportunity to spell out the >>>> problems with the comparison above. >>>> >>>> [1]* >>>> >>>> **_http://www.vecosys.com/2007/02/22/the-semantic-web-complexity-versus-simplicity/_* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [2]* **_http://daveman692.livejournal.com/_* >>>> [3]* **_http://tinyurl.com/2sbqne_* >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> Segala, CEO >>>> >>>> *Office: *+44 (0)1483 572 800 >>>> *Mobile: *+44 (0)7738 758 848 >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> *Visit our blog* >>>> *_http://segala.com/blog/_**/ /* >>>> >>>> *Download our Firefox Extension* >>>> *_http://searchthresher.segala.com/_** * >>>> >>>> *Do you design, build or test Web sites?* >>>> *Join the Segala-Certified Partner Programme for Accessibility* >>>> *_http://partner.segala.com_* <http://affiliate.segala.com/> >>>> >>>> *The very latest from Talis* >>>> >>>> read the latest news at _www.talis.com/news >>>> <http://www.talis.com/news>_ >>>> >>>> listen to our podcasts _www.talis.com/podcasts >>>> <http://www.talis.com/podcasts>_ >>>> >>>> see us at these events _www.talis.com/events >>>> <http://www.talis.com/events>_ >>>> >>>> join the discussion here _www.talis.com/forums >>>> <http://www.talis.com/forums>_ >>>> >>>> join our developer community _www.talis.com/tdn >>>> <http://www.talis.com/tdn>_ >>>> >>>> and read our blogs _www.talis.com/blogs <http://www.talis.com/blogs>_ >>>> >>>> Any views or personal opinions expressed within this email may not be >>>> those of Talis Information Ltd. 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