Re: Minutes of our meeting:

Actually, Kjetil pretty much answered... ie, showing that things may
still be open. I am quite in agreement with him, including the fact that
I will not be around next week at the telco (I will be in Bangalore,
India...)

Ivan

Kingsley Idehen wrote:
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> Ivan Herman wrote:
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>> Kingsley Idehen wrote:
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>>> Ivan Herman wrote:
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>>>> <<<
>>>>    ivan: asks for kjetil's next step plans
>>>>
>>>>    <leobard> kjetilk: the data projects are promising
>>>>
>>>>    kjetilk: try to make projects proceed somehow, maybe give some
>>>>    exposure already
>>>>
>>>>    susie: maybe the rest of the group could have a look at the list and
>>>>    collect some comments wrt chance to being successful etc
>>>>
>>>>    <leobard> susie: next week we can select which project we support
>>>>
>>>>    ivan: linked data seems to have the largest impact, but may not
>>>>    really match the idea of convincing outsiders, as its more data
>>>>    oriented, not really app-focused
>>>>
>>>>    <leobard> ivan: the "linking open data" project's value is only for
>>>>    semantic web geeks.
>>>>
>>>>    <LeeF> +1 to ivan's take on the projects
>>>>
>>>>    ivan: on the other hand: an excellent project that may be a
>>>>    prerequisite for other ones
>>>>
>>>>    <leobard> ivan: we want to have several projects we give publicity
>>>>
>>>>    <leobard> ivan: not only one or two projects
>>>>
>>>>    <wing> nice, kjetilk
>>>>
>>>>    kjetilk: agrees with ivan that his project is, without being biased,
>>>>    is more useful for the showing side
>>>>    ... ;)
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>
>>> Ivan / Lee,
>>>
>>> The Linking Data Project is in no shape of form Geek oriented. This is
>>> unfortunately an incorrect characterization of the project.
>>>
>>> The last thing Chris, Richard, Stefano, myself, and others have in mind
>>> is yet another Semantic Web Geek Project. We are all very
>>> anti-semantic-web-geek. This is why we have specifically set a goal to
>>> make this project usable by the hypothetical Grandma.
>>>
>>> Please send some specific questions about this project that can aid in
>>> correcting the current misconceptions.
>>>
>>>
>>>     
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>>
>> Kingsley,
>>
>> this was not a critique of the project itself. At all! I think it is a
>> great an extremely important project, you not have to convince me on
>> this.
>>   
> 
> Ivan,
> 
> Didn't take as a criticism :-) I am preoccupied with the misconception.
> 
>> The only thing I said (and others seemed to agree): the goal of *this*
>> sweo exersize was to come up with project proposals that would
>> immediately demonstrate for *non-Semantic Web* people the power and the
>> possibilities of the Semantic Web. On the other hand, to really
>> appreciate the importance, future potential, and the value of the
>> Semantic linking project you already have to know and understand what is
>> happening. That is all.
>>   
> 
> 
> The none geek exposure to the Semantic Web is the essence of the
> project. I think the problem is that the project page doesn't clearly
> unveil this. The chatter in the project mailing list is centered on this
> very matter of none geek exposure to the Semantic Web's prowess.
> 
>> Having said that: we agreed that we would collect (via Susie) our
>> 'votes' for the projects. Although this vote is supposed to be
>> confidential, I have no problem acknowledging that I *will* put a vote
>> against that project, too. But we have to recognize that it is different
>> than the others, and we may have to treat it a bit differently than the
>> others (in our messaging, things like that).
>>   
> 
> 
> As I indicated in my reply to Kjetil. What does SWEO support entail?
> Like my earlier comments about RDF the Model and RDF Serializations
> formats, there is a little issue that I am desperately trying to avert.
> Once I understand (with clarity) what SWEO support of one of these
> project implies, I can then be a little clearer about my concerns should
> they remain.
> 
> Thus, I need a little clarity.
> 
> Kingsley
> 
> 
>> Ivan
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