- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:40:03 -0400
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
Alistair's minutes from last week's Semantic Web Deployment Working
Group telecon are in
http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html
(I'd posted the cleaned up version for Alistair last week but perhaps
he hoped I would send this notice to the WG as well.)
A text snapshot follows.
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SWD WG
24 Mar 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0065.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-03-10
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Alistair, Guus, Tom, Antoine, Sean, Ed, Diego, Jon
Regrets
Ralph
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Alistair
Contents
* Topics
1. ADMIN
2. SKOS
3. RDFa
4. RECIPES
5. RDFa METADATA NOTE
6. AOB
* Summary of Action Items
______________________________________________________
ADMIN
guus: PROPOSED to accept minutes of last telcon
[13]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
[13] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
(no objections)
RESOLVED to accept minutes of last telcon
[14]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
guus: next telcon 7 April
... regrets from ralph [for today's telecon]
SKOS
guus: congrats for CR status
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose
on"feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and
Checkers"[recorded
in[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07
guus: mailing lists need to be notified of CR
guus: should contain request for skos checkers and vocabularies
alistair: format for responses?
guus: format proposed by sean
antoine: wiki page somewhere
<Antoine>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOSImplementationReport
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOSImplementationReport
<Antoine> [18]target=SKOSImplementation.html
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOSImplementationReport?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SKOSImplementation.html
guus: no format there for vocabularies
Alistair: only reader, writer, checker
guus: come back to this after discuss implementation report
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to ammend the labels and other annotations
in skos rdf in consultation w/ sean [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html#action03
<Antoine>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0012.h
tml
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0012.html
antoine: some discussion on labeling policy, but can just continues
discussing, anyway it is published as CR so may get feedback in
coming weeks
guus: what are issues?
antoine: i changed a lot of labels (rdfs:label) and tried to put
some verbs and prepositions, e.g. broader is now "has broader
concept"... done for all object properties, because ambiguous in
direction, but not done for all properties because literal
properties less
Guus: suggest to continue discussion on the list
Antoine: other issues still remaning
... firstly, owl2 actions. Got some feedback from I. Herman
... continue discussion on the list
Antoine: anyone has comments on the owl2 issue? (none)
antoine: contributors to first schema: nikki rogers and dave beckett
... wonder if still ok to be mentioned, found it weird, must have
been involved in first version but now file has changed, but danbri
mailed them asking, nikki is happy with it, no news from dave, also
will be settled in next weeks
guus: isn't dan brickley also contributor? others are also
contributors? in that sense very icomplete list
... either cut it out or make it complete.
antoine: could make it complete, add 20 names
guus: ok, then we make it complete
antoine: i think it would be less than 20 names, make it easier
alistair: just include from this WG, or previous WG?
guus: hard to be complete, don't know who contributed what
... can we put in URIs, SWAD-Europe, SWBPD, SWD, three contributing
groups
alistair: also public-esw-thes@w3.org list are contributors
guus: can contributors be links?
antoine: yes, tom made comment that in current schema they are
literals, not really best practice, tom can you confirm?
guus: suggest to include links to SWAD-Europe, SWBPD, SWD and
plublic-swd as dc:contributor. let's keep this open
... any more about ontology file?
antoine: that's everything
guus: any outstanding actions for SKOS Primer?
antoine: two comments since published, one about comments in turtle
code (ivan h), one from alistair on sparql queries, propose to add
as editorial changes in next version, ok?
guus: as long as trivial editorial changes, error corrections, then
it is fine. just keep the change history.
... leave use cases.
... SKOS Implementation report
... we have text from sean on tools, do we also want text on
vocabularies? or just ask for uri on vocabulary?
... need a structure?
... alistair, could you draft text for call, i'm happy to comment.
... also earlier link from our site, but description maybe too
complex.
... we can ask for a listing of the constructs they use, but don't
ask too many questions, shouldn't be any real burden to submit.
<scribe> ACTION: alistair to write draft message call for
implementations and issue to the list [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action04]
antoine: looking at call for use cases format. i opened text for
call for use cases we issued 2 years ago, look at what we asked for
vocab descriptions at the time, some items useful but basic, e.g.
title, general characteristics, languages. then other things, like
ways it is used, main constructs...
guus: use this for inspiration
antoine: 3 first items, then asking about constructs used
alistair: sounds good
guus: suggest leave implementation report. alistair if you can
distribute message, we can distribute before next telcon.
... only thing holding us up.
alistair: deadline for responses?
guus: 15 april
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the
implementation report [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08
guus: agrovoc, include in implementation report
... SKOS community after SWD, leave for now.
... main web page
antoine: main web page?
guus: no, wikipedia page
... two things to do now?
antoine: maybe first briefing about main page, i've actually
explored it last week, did a number of updates, in principle should
be ok, new CR documents are mentioned, i also cleaned some links to
the old version, no refer to new version.
... alistair could check that?
alistair: thanks for that
guus: looks good
... just leaves wikipedia page...
antoine: i cannot do anything for that, in next days or weeks
... alistair, you did something?
alistair: yes, then updated by bernard vatant i think
guus: needs to be reorganised
alistair: quite out of date
guus: ok if we use text from our current documents here? some text,
not everything of course
... leave for now, links in agenda
RDFa
guus: nobody here
<scribe> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to
Group Note [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
RECIPES
diego: there is a small error in the current note, problem is user
agent is taking precendence over accept header. so agents are served
with html even if requesting rdf. not a very serious problem,
because users don't change accept header of browsers, but maybe a
problem in future if user installs plugins for browsers e.g.
tabulator ...
... so it's worth fixing.
... i would appreciate a second opinion on my proposal, i think it's
correct but i'm not sure.
antoine: personally i was happy with what you did, solved my
specific problem.
diego: new editors' draft for review by WG?
guus: you propose a new version of the note?
diego: yes, right step
guus: we can supersede previous note
diego: i will update current draft to new one, then send to mailing
list for review
guus: please update the change history, we can just review the
change, and vote on it either next time or 21 april
diego: ok
... btw i check this morning, check accept header by IE8, just
released this week, still sends same accept header as previous
versions */*, accept anything.
<scribe> ACTION: diego to prepare new version of recipes note
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded
in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[CONTINUES]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[CONTINUES]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
guus: btw, w3c wordnet implementation is one of central pieces in
LOD cloud, one of few vocabularies in there currently
RDFa METADATA NOTE
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
AOB
-- OWL Last Call
guus: ian horrocks replied to our last call comments, link in agenda
<ed>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0058.h
tml
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0058.html
guus: basically they agree with our comments, are preparing one new
document (overview), want to include also in syntax document other
syntaxes.
... they ask us to respond to this, understood in coordination group
there will be new last call for owl anyway, normally i would ask for
us to see revised documents, but we will have an opportinuty anyway.
so i propose we respond positively, with a remark we would like to
see revised documents.
... they have new features document which currently doesn't contain
rdf syntax, i don't think they want to do this, i would be in favour
to do this also
alistair: sounds like a good idea
guus: important we respond positively, they are making effort to
address our remarks.
antoine: no objection from me
sean: no
<scribe> ACTION: guus to draft response to ian with thanks for
addressing comments, happy to see revised documents, would favour
new features document also to include rdf syntax [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]
guus: sean, we already discussed implementation report, alistair
will draft a message, also with indications on how we expect people
to respond on skos vocabularies, have feedback on list first, then
send out to all mailing lists we used for previous notifications.
... antoine has suggested we draw on previous call for use cases.
... congrats for CR spec.
sean: congrats to all
guus: if we meet in two weeks, have to think of good way to
distribute last piece of work, getting implementation report tables
filled out, and alistair will be able to send out message.
sean: regrets for 7 april
guus: next time back at normal time for europeans
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: alistair to write draft message call for
implementations and issue to the list [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: diego to prepare new version of recipes note [recorded
in [31]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: guus to draft response to ian with thanks for
addressing comments, happy to see revised documents, would favour
new features document also to include rdf syntax [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the
implementation report [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to ammend the labels and other annotations in
skos rdf in consultation w/ sean [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose
on"feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and
Checkers"[recorded
in[39]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
_____________________________________________________
[33] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08
[34] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[35] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
[37] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[38] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html#action03
[39] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07
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