- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:39:59 -0400
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The minutes of today's SemWeb Deployment Working Group telecon [1]
are ready. Thanks to Diego for scribing this meeting.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html
A text snapshot follows.
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Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
02 Sep 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0000.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous: [4]2008-08-26
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Daniel Rubin, Diego Berrueta, Guus
Schreiber, Jon Phipps, Antoine Isaac, Ed Summers, Ben Adida,
Sean Bechhofer
Regrets
Jeremy Carrol, Alistair Miles, Margherita Sini, Elisa Kendall
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Diego
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. RDFa
3. Recipes
4. Vocabulary Management
5. AOB
6. SKOS
* Summary of Action Items
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Admin
PROPOSED to accept minutes of the last telecon
Guus: small ammendment re action to the chairs, proposed to drop
... no need to change the minutes
Ralph: chairs need to send mail to other WGs
ACTION: Chairs to request Last Call for SKOS Reference [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[WITHDRAWN]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action04
RESOLVED to accept [14]minutes of the Aug 26 telecon
[14] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html
Guus: I don't expect very busy telecons next weeks, mostly focus on
SKOS
... propose to meet on 16 and 30 sep
<Ralph> Ralph: regrets for 16 Sep
Guus: LC comments on SKOS in the agenda
... probably short telecons
<Ralph> Guus: also regrets for 16 Sep; Tom will chair
RESOLVED next telecons 16 and 30 sep
RDFa
-> [15]RDFa PR request was sent out
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0086.html
Guus: main thing to do is to schedule meeting with director
... proposed tomorrow 1830 UTC
ben: regrets, I've got a conflict
... half hour later would work
Guus: propose we fix it for 1900 UTC tomorrow
... formally speaking, after this meeting, supposing request is
approved, not much to do
... publish the Primer as a Note
ben: editing the Primer, Ed comments
... discussion on trying to make RDFa to work in HTML4/5
... trying to put together a couple of wiki pages on this
... formally, we're wrapping up at this point wrt the charter
guus: check with the coord group if futher actions are needed, by
the end of the year we're wrapping up
... schedule discussion with Ivan, we might decide nothing more is
needed
... action on ben that appears here is related to SKOS, not to RDFa
ben:My action to write documentation for entering last call comment
issues in tracker will be done in an hour
... taskforce is ready to publish primer and UC as a note
Recipes
-> [16]Recipes published as Working Group Note
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-swbp-vocab-pub-20080828/
Guus: thanks to the editors, very useful doc
ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03
ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
implementations] [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[CONTINUES]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
Vocabulary Management
Guus: nothing to report here
AOB
Diego: I've put an update to the "Minimum RDFa metadata set for WG
deliverables" draft in the wiki
... Ed is reviewing now
... may be ready for WG to review in a week
-> [19]current draft (Metadata for TR)
[19] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AddingRDFaToTR?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=draft.html
ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11
ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05 [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[CONTINUES]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12
SKOS
Guus: schedule is feasible
seanb: if we get no comments at all, is that bad?
Guus: yes, it is
Ralph: we need reviews from the public for each transition
... no comments would be a bad thing
... editors please send the announce to mailing lists
edsu: try to target people using SKOS now (eg.: Dbpedia)?
Ralph: we have features at risk, we need feedback from people using
SKOS
Guus: we should explicitly request feedback from those people
edsu: should I create a wiki page listing SKOS users?
Guus: sean, could you please send mail to the users' mailing lists?
... target users, particularly developers
edsu: i can investigate potential lists
ACTION: SKOS Reference editors to send mail asking for feedback from
users [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html#action06]
Guus: we might want to look to existing implementations of SKOS
... Antoine, do you have a SKOS web service in your project?
Antoine: yes
... not sure if compatible with latest specs
Guus: should we provide a test bed?
seanb: what the test bed should test for? we don't have
"conformance" requirements
Guus: I would expect a SKOS validator, similar to the OWL validator
... that would surely be an implementation
Antoine: also SKOS editors?
Guus: probably yes
<Ralph> [23]EARL
[23] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-EARL10-Schema-20070323/#conformance
Ralph: thinking about similar vocabs, eg. EARL
... pretty loose definition of "conformance"
seanb: who would decide which ones are implementations
... we can provide examples of violations of the specs
Ralph: i don't think it's a good idea
... any tool that uses SKOS data is an implementation
Guus: and also SKOS data itself
... the typical req is that every feature is supported by at least 2
implementations
Ralph: it would be nice to show that every SKOS feature has been
used by at least one vocab
Guus: the LC period is a nice time to start working on the
implementation report
... define a format to describe implementations, and ask people to
contribute implementations in this format
... build a table of SKOS constructs and how they're used
<edsu> i just got guus' point about the skos vocabulary itself being
an implementation of skos...
seanb: we need to define what we mean for "validator" in this
context (too strict?)
Guus: validator is able to read a SKOS vocab and flag potential
problems wrt semantics
seanb: validator or checker?
<edsu> +1 for checker
seanb: validation has connotations (validation wrt a schema),
checker might be a better name
ACTION: Sean to add a request for implementations to the mail asking
for feedback [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html#action07]
Guus: that's all for now wrt implementations
... we need to make significant progress in september in the
implementation report
ACTION: Guus to confirm w/ OWL Chairs and Coordination Group that
the LC period is OK [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action06
Guus: didn't get any response, that's good
<Ralph> [26]SKOS Last Call [27]
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2008Aug/0018.html
[27] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
Antoine: question about formatting of figures and tables
Ralph: the checker complained, that's why we delete them
... we can republish a new primer if you want
... it's up to the editors to decide
Guus: you can decide later
Antoine: the primer should be ready by the time the Reference is a
Rec
Ralph: Antoine had copied the WD stylesheet in-line and I had to
remove it. I did not notice that he had also added some styles for
notes, sorry. I sent him mail as I was preparing the publication but
he was not able to respond in time.
Guus: use cases should also be ready
... editors should go through the document and suggest adaptions,
not critical yet
... about OWL2 annotations, any feedback?
seanb: no explicit yet, discussion still ongoing
Guus: and about the quick reference?
seanb: would be something interesting, not necesarily volunteering
ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to
latest version of rdf triple [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
Guus: editors of the SKOS UC are Antoine, Jon, Daniel
edsu: assuming SKOS ends as Rec, do we need any space where people
can share experiences and extensions about using SKOS?
Guus: we may decide that thesuarus mailing list or semantic-web are
the right places
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to write a short message to the list about how to
enter in Issues so that they can be tracked [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05
<Ralph> [29]DisCo: extracting Tracker data into a Disposition of
Comments Document [Ben 2008-09-02]
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0007.html
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Sean to add a request for implementations to the mail
asking for feedback [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: SKOS Reference editors to send mail asking for
feedback from users [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct
link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
[33] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12
[34] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to write a short message to the list about how to
enter in Issues so that they can be tracked [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note
form [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to confirm w/ OWL Chairs and Coordination Group
that the LC period is OK [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group
Note [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11
[37] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action06
[38] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Chairs to request Last Call for SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[End of minutes]
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[39] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action04
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