- From: Sean Bechhofer <sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:26:47 +0000
- To: SWD Working SWD <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The record of this week's SWD telecon [1] is ready for review. Text
version below.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html
Sean
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SWD WG
29 Jan 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/
0181.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Sean Bechhofer, Jon Phipps, Ralph Swick, Antoine
Isaac, Guus Schreiber, Margherita Sini, Quentin Reul, Daniel
Rubin, Vit Novacek, Diego Berrueta, Alistair Miles, Ed
Summers, Elisa Kendall
Regrets
Ben Adida
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Sean
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary Management
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Admin
<Tom> Tom notes this is telecon #57 of Semantic Web Deployment
PROPOSED to accept minutes of the Jan 22 telecon:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html
ACCEPTED
Guus: Tom and I discussed schedule
... officially charter ends April.
... WG should be done (with a majority of the work) by the summer
... RDFa and SKOS at least at Candidate Rec. Should have moved
beyond Last Call
... Majority of work before the summer. It's fair to make that clear
to WG participants
... Need to discuss schedule with intercoordination group.
... Review of SKOS issues on agenda.
... Discussing mainly RDFa and SKOS as these are Rec track.
... Also Recipes/Vocab Management. What are the realistic goals in
the
... time span?
ACTION: Chairs to put schedule review on agenda. [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action24
SKOS
ACTION: Guus to schedule to discussion on the notation (syntax) used
in SKOS examples in Reference and Primer in two weeks time, i.e. on
29 January [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action05
ACTION: Ralph get SKOS WD published [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03
See:
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/0177.h
tml
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/
0177.html
Guus: Ian Jacobs called for exclusions. Usual process on publication
of working draft.
ACTION: Alistair to solicit feedback via mailing lists on WD
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22
Alistair: Sent mail to the list. Comments welcome.
ACTION: Alistair to add editorial note linking ISSUE-44 [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DROPPED]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01
Guus: SKOS Issues. 20 minutes reviewing issue list.
<Ralph> [18]SKOS issues
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues
Ralph: Quite a few raised issues that should maybe be opened.
Guus: Issue 26. Relationship between labels. Open.
... Bit worrying that we haven't been able to close this one.
Antoine: Proposal that was accepted (Label Relation by Alistair)
... but since have received mail commenting on it. Acceptable for
the moment, but way to
... do this is to keep it open as late as possible.
... Can't really propose anything else. Should get new feedback on
... this soon.
Guus: Leave open and await comments.
... Issue 27. Annotation on Labels. Similar to 26?
Antoine: Could be, but there are no examples of simple annotation on
labels. Similar
... pattern could be used.
Guus: Keep 26 & 27 linked.
... 31. Open. Alistair?
Alistair: All of the questions in this issue are answere in the
... current WD, with the notion of certain graphs being not
consistent.
... so current WD answers this. What's the process?
Guus: Point to current WD as resolution (making specific reference
to the document and version)
ACTION: Alistair to write a resolution for ISSUE 31 (citing current
WD) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action06]
Guus: Issue 32 ConceptSchemeLabellingInteractions
... This has been raised. Should we open it?
[20]ConceptSchemeLabellingInteractions [32]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/32
[32] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
Alistair: This is about whether or not two concepts in a scheme can
have the same
Alistair: preferred label in the same language. If you're using SKOS
for Thesaurus, this is
... useful, but not necessarily generally applciable.
... Was discussed in previous WD.
Guus: Is this in the Use Cases?
Antoine: yes, if you consider that some Use Cases are thesaurus Use
Cases.
Guus: Pragmatic based on use cases or postpone.
Ralph: Doesn't seem crucial for SKOS to restrict this.
Alistair: Can't generally restrict this as some concept schemes
allow it.
Guus: Propose that Alistair considers Closing the issue by not
making a commitment
... and addin a note.
Antoine: In the current primer. There is a note about this. [quotes
document]
Guus: Suggest Antoine cut and paste text as resolution.
Issue 32 is opened with Antoine owner.
ACTION: Antoine to propose resolution to Issue 32 based on text from
the primer [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action07]
Issue 35: Rules and Conformance
[22]RulesAndConformance [35]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/35
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/
0150.html
Alistair: Current SKOS Reference doesn't state any rules explicitly,
but
... does talk about things that can be entailed from others things.
Guus: This issue then isn't really relevant at the moment.
ACTION: Sean to propose postponing Issue 35. [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action08]
Issue 37: SKOS Specialisation
[24]SkosSpecialization [37]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/37
[37] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/
Alistair: Place holder in current SKOS Reference Appendix
Antoine: And something in the primer.
<ed> section 4.8 of the Primer also
Guus: Propose to delay this for now. Don't have to open yet.
... 38 Postponed, 39 Closed.
... 40 (Concept Co-ordination) a bit tricky.
[25]ConceptCoordination [40]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/40
[40] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13
Guus: When do we need to open this? Is there a good time and who
will be issue owner?
Antoine: Propose not to do it now.
Alistair: No time like the present to open it.
Alistair: Don't mind making a proposal.
... SKOS could go to rec without this feature.
ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept
Coordination) [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
Guus: Issue 41 Use lang tags in examples
Antoine: We can close this with the SKOS primer
Guus: This is not a technical issue. This is an action.
... Can we delete issues?
Ralph: Can close and say it's not a technical issue.
Guus: Need to be careful as we can only finish if all the issues
were they're closed or postponed.
Alistair: yes originally and issue raised on old SKOS core guide. No
longer applicable.
Guus: Any objections to closing this?
Ralph: Alistair should take an action to respond to original query.
ACTION: Alistair to respond to original query regarding Issue 41
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action10]
Ralph: Will mark as pending
Guus: 44 Closed
... Issue 45 NaryLinksBetweenDescriptorsAndNonDescriptors
[28]Issue 45 NaryLinksBetweenDescriptorsAndNonDescriptors
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/45
Alistair: We could say this is out of scope. Or we could say that it
can be done via extensions to SKOS
... or we could try and do it ourselves. Cheapest is to declare out
of scope/postpone.
Ralph: I'm ok to postpone
Guus: But there are Use Cases that make use of this
... would not be willing to postpone at ths point in time.
Antoine: could be solvable once Issue 40 is done. Can postpone if we
decide to do nothing for 40.
[move onto next action]
Guus: What was this action?
Alistiar: at F2F went with decision for n-ary relations. Guus was to
consider whether we needed alternatics
Guus: Propose we drop it and return on ISSUE 26.
ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to
the issue list. [recorded in [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[DROPPED]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11
ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on
Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[WITHDRAWN]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10
Alistair: Do we have an issue that we're trying to resolve here?
Guus: Related to issue resolutions w.r.t concept scheme containment
that we had
... discussed. In particular whether you can consider an OWL
ontology that only containts instnaces as an ontology.
Alistair: Issue 36 is closed, so do we still need to have a
discussion and do we still need
... additional text?
Guus: yes, I think so.
Alistair: This action is now transforming.
... writing text for which document?
Antoine: influences both.
Ralph: If it's informative, put it in the primer.
Alistair: Not clear what more needs to be said for the reference.
Guus: Is this currently covered on the primer?
Antoine: Something, but it needs checked.
<ed> Primer, Section 3.3
ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on
relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded
in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
action 12 is actually dropped
ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of
the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs
isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.h
tml [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[CONTINUES]
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/
0141.html
[34] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10
Alistair: Current SKOS Ref says nothing about isDefinedBy. If it
should be different, Ralph please raise issue.
Guus; SKOS Primer comments from RIF
Antoine: Comments from Quentin and Margherita.
... Answered apart from some possible typos.
Guus: Postpone discussed to next week. Anything to track here?
Antoine: Made some answers, positive feedback from Quentin. Waiting
from Margherita.
<aliman> I'm confused, comments at
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/0150.h
tml are from Margherita, what does "RIF" stand for?
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/
0150.html
ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action06
Guus: Drafting text right now.
RDFa
Guus; New editors draft is out. Ed and Diego have actions to review
it.
<ed> [37]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/
[37] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/
scribe: When would it be wise to put this on the agenda?
... Is Feb 12th feasible?
Ed: Yes.
Diego: Almost finished.
Guus: Co-ordination with XHTML group.
... Ralph, please bring this up at the next telecon.
Ralph: is this proposed as Last Call?
Guus: yes, I'm treating this as LC.
Ralph: Encourage all WG participants to look at the document. We're
now saying "We think
... we're done".
Guus: No opening issues after this.
<Zakim> Tom, you wanted to suggest we give Ralph an action,
including the words "Last Call" - for the record
Tom: Suggest we action Ralph (including words Last Call).
<ed>
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/0179.h
tml
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/
0179.html
Ed: RDFa folks are suggesting this as Last Call
ACTION: Ben to distribute RDFa syntax draft to reviewers by Monday
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/08-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/08-swd-minutes.html#action10
ACTION: Ed to review RDFa syntax document [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]CONTINUE
S]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13
ACTION: Ralph confirm with the RDFa Task Force that the current RDFa
Syntax document is the Last Call candidate and note that SWD WG
plans to put that resolution on its 12-Feb agenda [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action19]
ACTION: Diego to review RDFa syntax document [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[CONTINUES]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action12
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
(with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
<scribe> ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[45] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
<ed> ooops, that email was from Guus not Ben :)
ACTION: Ben to prepare the email to request the decision for
publishing on Feb 5th [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[DROPPED]
[46] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-swd-minutes.html#action18
ACTION: Ben to prepare the email to request the decision for
publishing on Feb 12th [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action24]
Recipes
Guus: Approved last week publication of document
Ralph: It's in the webmaster queue.
ACTION: Diego to solicit feedback via mailing lists on WD [recorded
in [48]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22]
[CONTINUES]
[48] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22
ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior"
[recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[49] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
implementations] [recorded in [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[CONTINUES]
[50] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
Guus: Need to consider realistic schedule for bringing this to WG
Note.
... when is the point when this is what we'll say about the subject.
Ralph: Will have to se how many comments we get. Content negotation
handling
... unless we get significant comments, I suspect we're done.
Vocabulary Management
Guus: How far can we push this in lifetime of group?
Elisa: New editor's draft hopefully by close of play tomorrow.
Guus: Also needs to be part of our scheduling discussion.
... AOB?
adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on
relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded
in [51]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept
Coordination) [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to respond to original query regarding Issue
41 [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to write a resolution for ISSUE 31 (citing
current WD) [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to propose resolution to Issue 32 based on
text from the primer [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding
maintenance of wiki document
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to prepare the email to request the decision for
publishing on Feb 12th [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to review RDFa syntax document [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph confirm with the RDFa Task Force that the
current RDFa Syntax document is the Last Call candidate and note
that SWD WG plans to put that resolution on its 12-Feb agenda
[recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: Sean to propose postponing the issue. [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[56] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[57] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
[59] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to solicit feedback via mailing lists on
WD [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Chairs to put schedule review on agenda. [recorded
in [66]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[PENDING] ACTION: Diego to review RDFa syntax document [recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Diego to solicit feedback via mailing lists on WD
[recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to schedule to discussion on the notation
(syntax) used in SKOS examples in Reference and Primer in two weeks
time, i.e. on 29 January [recorded in
[69]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[70]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation
of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
[71]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.h
tml [recorded in
[72]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in
[73]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[62] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action06
[63] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
[64] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22
[65] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[66] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action24
[67] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action12
[68] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action22
[69] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action05
[70] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[71] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/
0141.html
[72] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10
[73] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph get SKOS WD published [recorded in
[74]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to distribute RDFa syntax draft to reviewers by
Monday [recorded in
[75]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/08-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[74] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action03
[75] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/08-swd-minutes.html#action10
[DROPPED] ACTION: Alistair to add editorial note linking ISSUE-44
[recorded in
[76]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[77]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Ben to prepare the email to request the decision
for publishing on Feb 5th [recorded in
[78]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in [recorded in
[79]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[76] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01
[77] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action10
[78] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-swd-minutes.html#action18
[79] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action11
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