- From: Leonard Will <L.Will@willpowerinfo.co.uk>
- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:47:27 +0100
- To: public-esw-thes@w3.org, public-swd-wg@w3.org
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 at 14:33:13, Simon Spero <ses@unc.edu> wrote
>On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:
>That's why we de-coupled what is not controversial ("this broader was
>asserted in that thesaurus, and we publisher of the thesaurus want you
>to know it") from what is useful but should not mess up with initial
>assertions (broaderTransitive)
>Lets try and clarify things
In the scenario described above, publisher P asserts:
*A* broader *B*
(Less ambiguously expressed as "A hasBroaderConcept B")
What relationship is being asserted between the extensions of *A* and
*B* (*
A* and *B*) ?
1) *A ** B* ? (All A's are B's )
2) |*A* * B*| > |*A* \ *B*| ? (more A's are B's than are not B's)
3) a.(a *A* a *B*) b.(b *B* b *A*) ? ( At least one A
is
a B and at least one B is not an A)
[Your logic symbols do not travel well in email - better to just use
words]
To conform to thesaurus standards, if the "broader" relationship is
generic, then your relationship 1) must apply. The usual example is
Case 1):
parrots BT birds
valid, because all parrots are birds, while only some birds are parrots.
Cases 2) and 3):
parrots BT pets
invalid, because only some parrots are pets and some pets are parrots.
It seems that these two cases are distinguished only by the degree of
overlap of the concepts - they would each be represented by RT, if the
relationship is to be shown at all. The RT relationship is somewhat
subjective, as "association" is a matter of judgement, following
guidelines only.
If the relationships in the published thesaurus do not conform to these
standards, it's anybody's guess what the relationships are, or whether
they are transitive or not. I don't see how the SKOS version of such a
thesaurus can include any additional statements specifying that there
are some valid "broaderTransitive" relationships without examining the
concepts and determining what valid relationships exist between them -
i.e. reworking the relationships in the thesaurus. Reconstructing the
thesaurus in this way would be much more than just encoding it in a SKOS
format.
Leonard
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