- From: Clay Redding <cred@loc.gov>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:00:46 -0400
- To: <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The [1]record of today's SWD WG telecon is ready for review.
A text copy follows below.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html
Topics:
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary Management
Summary of action items:
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two
flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Diego to write test to confirm what's broken about
recipes as stated re: ISSUE 58 [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on
SKOS [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04].
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower
relations in skos [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in
Cambridge [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]
The next telecon is scheduled for Tuesday, 24 July, 1500 UTC
-- Clay
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SWD WG
17 Jul 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0104.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
Tom, Clay, Alistair, Ed, Ralph, Daniel, Justin,
Elisa, Diego, Antoine, Jon, Vit,
Simone, Ben
Regrets
Sean
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Clay
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary Management
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<RalphS> [11]previous 2007-07-10
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html
Admin
RESOLVED: accept minutes of July 10 telecon: [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on SKOS [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
SKOS
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower
relations in skos [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03
<Antoine> [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/56
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/56
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04].
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05
Alistair: re: simple extension proposal. There are two distinct
"flavors". Guus assumed one, Antoine the other. A need exists to
clearly distinguish those flavors.
<TomB>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0060.h
tml
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0060.html
<TomB>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0078.h
tml
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0078.html
Alistair: about interpretaion of skos label and RDF plain literals
... not ready to discuss the SimpleExtension issue, and awaiting
Guus' user experience report re: different flavors
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two
flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]
<RalphS> Alistair: in ->
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0060.h
tml my bijection message I mistakenly referred to issue 33 rather
than issue 26
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0060.html
Ed: will grouping constructs be documented somewhere?
Alistair: suggested procedure is to work on 2 wiki drafts: 1) skos
primer with grouping constructs overview; 2) skos semantics with
formal specifications discussing grouping constructs. Once first
drafts exist, the WG considers as whole.
... the 2 drafts are linked
Tom: goal is to have W3C recommendation, one of the docs would be on
semantics, as part of a larger package.
Antoine: supports
Ed: supports
Alistair: propose resolution for issue 33 ... Post 166 is the technical resolution for issue 33
<RalphS> PROPOSED: ISSUE 33 is resolved with the design in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?actio
n=recall&rev=4
[23] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4
Alistair: I expect us to revisit this issue.
<RalphS> Alistair: I expect there to be issues with this grouping
module but we can raise those as separate issues
Tom: we can resolve for now, but if at a later point we need to
reopen this we can. For momentum we should resolve.
Alistair: more specific issues can be addressed separately as needed
RESOLUTION: ISSUE 33 is resolved with the design in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?actio
n=recall&rev=4
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4
Jon: how do we mark an issue as resolved? Can mark it manually and
move state to "closed".
Tom: Issue 31 Alistair proposed a way forward on
BasicLexicalLabelSemantics
<RalphS> [25]issue 31: BasicLexicalLabelSemantics
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/31
Alistair: idea of makring triples as optional was the only way at
the time I could see that people will want to use SKOS with OWL DL
... also thinking about namespace
... re: skos semantics, OWL flavors, and inference engines
Dan: get DL people involved in discussion
Alistair: the triple is optional in case where you want to stay
within DL.
<RalphS> Alistair: I meant the notation "[DL-optional]" to mean that
the triple is optional in the case that the application wants to be
within OWL-DL
<Antoine> Annotation properties must not be used in property axioms.
Thus, in OWL DL one cannot define subproperties or domain/range
constraints for annotation properties.
Alistair: some triples will take us out of DL into OWL Full. How to
mark that? If you want to stay within DL, it's marked as optional?
Tom: AListair is trying to say that if you want to remain within OWL
DL you don't use this triple.
Alistair: there could be a subset of SKOS that allows this, akin to
OWL Full and OWL DL
<RalphS> Ralph: we seem to be heading toward having SKOS-FULL and
SKOS-DL. (ugh)
Antoine: if we accept the triple then we're in OWL Full
<RalphS> Antoine: suggest the notation "[OWL-Full]" in place of
"[DL-optional]"
Ed: are there use cases for inferencing using OWL Full as opposed to
OWL DL
RDFa
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in
Cambridge [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02
RalphS: thanks the WG for input on @class /
@role / @instanceof
Recipes
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09
Jon(?) and Diego: re: .htaccess 'accept header' and header which EXACTLY matches
"application/rdf+xml"
<scribe> ACTION: Diego to write test to confirm what's broken about
recipes as stated re: ISSUE 58 [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action08]
<RalphS> Ralph: issue 58 came up in the context of when the HTTP
spec permits multiple Accept: headers
Vocabulary Management
<RalphS> Ralph: the question for issue 58 is really wether our
current recipe permits a comma-separated list of acceptable content
types
Elisa: I've thrown in some paragraphs in Wiki. I took Alistair's
comment on re-titling section, and have added paragraph on 404
errors.
... possibility to add Vocab Mgmt. on agenda for 10 mins. next week?
... will try to have more substantial text for discussion
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two
flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Diego to write test to confirm what's broken about
recipes as stated re: ISSUE 58 [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05
[30] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action08
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on
SKOS [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04].
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01
[32] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
[33] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04
[34] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05
[35] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower
relations in skos [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in
Cambridge [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03
[37] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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