- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:28:11 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is available [1].
A full text snapshot follows below.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html
Topics
1. Admin
2. Face-to-Face Organizational Issues
3. SKOS Requirements
4. SKOS branding
5. Other Deliverables
6. RDFa
7. Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies
8. Deliverable 3: Principles for Managing RDF Vocabularies (namespaces, change management, versioning)
Resolutions:
RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html accepted as minutes of 2006-12-19 meeting
RESOLVED: next meeting 16 January, 1600 UTC
RESOLVED: Alistair's refactoring of SKOS pages can proceed
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Diego progress issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: RalphS inform group on evening event. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Everyone should be registered for the F2F by 10 Jan [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus/TomB to put item on f2f agenda to make publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe duties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair will send the outstanding issues to the list and Jon will paste into the formatted page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon to create an issues page on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon will choose one of the three issues pages, create a proposed format, and then post to the list for discussion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Sean to submit SKOS and rules issue using agreed issue format, directly into issues wiki page (waiting for Jon) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Alistair to prepare issues list for January meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06]
-Ralph
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SemWeb Deployment WG
9 Jan 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0008.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2006-12-19
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Elisa Kendall, Jon Phipps, Guus
Schreiber, Daniel Rubin, Antoine Isaac, Diego Berrueta,
Alistair Miles, Bernard Horan, Sean Bechhofer
Regrets
Ben Adida
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. Face-to-Face Organizational Issues
3. SKOS Requirements
4. SKOS branding
5. Other Deliverables
6. RDFa
7. Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies
8. Deliverable 3: Principles for Managing RDF Vocabularies
(namespaces, change management, versioning)
* Summary of Action Items
____________________________________________________
<RalphS> Guus: best new year wishes to everyone
Admin
RESOLVED: [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html accepted
as minutes of 2006-12-19 meeting
[15] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html
RESOLVED: next meeting 16 January, 1600 UTC
ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning scribe
duties [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01
next scribe: Daniel
Face-to-Face Organizational Issues
[17]Multi-Group Meeting Logistics
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/MGMoverview.html
[18]F2F Agenda
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122
Guus: we have 8 WG participants registered as of today, with 4
observers
RalphS: TBL wants to create Boston SW Users Group.
... since we are convening on Jan 22-23, opportunity to have
"pre-launch" event
... so has asked if we could participate on Mon or Tues evening in
some event
... could mean short presentations
... or just share hors d'oeuvres
Guus: no objections.
Diego: not Tues evening
Antoine: ok
RalphS: ok
Bernard: no
Alistair: ok
Jon: ok both days
RalphS: meet for hors d'oeuvres then shorter dinner.
Guus: can present.
RalphS: Will be Web access - will be in MIT office area. Near WG
meeting room.
ACTION: RalphS inform group on evening event. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
SKOS Requirements
ACTION: [WITHDRAWN] Alistair to prepare issues list for January
meeting [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06
ACTION: [DONE] Alistair will send the outstanding issues to the list
and Jon will paste into the formatted page [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action05
ACTION: [DONE] Jon to create an issues page on the wiki [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html#action07
-> "[23]Cookbook Issues page" [Jon]
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0000.html
Guus: I plan to propose an issues-management process next meeting
ACTION: [DONE] Sean to submit SKOS and rules issue using agreed
issue format, directly into issues wiki page (waiting for Jon)
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04
Guus:[25]Sean's submission accepted
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0017.html
-> [26]issues process ideas from Ralph
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0001.html
Ralph: there is another [27]issue tracking tool that is available to
the WG
... I will send mail about it today or tomorrow
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask where (in the wiki?) we will
describe "issues process"
<TomB> [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
Tom: do we want to capture the issues process in another wiki
document?
Jon: I copied the [29]Best Practice Recipes issues process from RIF
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipesIssues
Ralph: the records of whatever process refinement we agree to after
Guus' proposal next week warrant their own Wiki page IMHO
Guus: the substance of my proposal is whether to add
potential-issues to the wiki before discussion or discuss first then
add to the list
Daniel: I have received input with feedback for one use case,
partial input on a second and am awaiting 2 more
... expect a total of four use cases from me
<Antoine> [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RawUCs
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RawUCs
Antoine: there is a wiki page that sums up the [31]use case
descriptions we've received
... the edited use case that Daniel submitted is included there
... with placeholders for others
... I have also cited other use cases that have been mentioned on
the WG list
... the idea is to check the correctness of these descriptions
w.r.t. the questionnaire then move them to another page
[31] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RawUCs
<Antoine> [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
Antoine: [33]EditedUCs may be more usable for preparation of the
document itself
[33] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
Daniel: also the [34]BirnLex UC [is ready for EditedUCs]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RucBirnLex
Antoine: I wanted the editors to take responsibility for moving
items from RawUCs to EditedUCs
Guus: we want to have documents for the f2f ready one week in
advance
... is it feasible to have a raw SKOS UC document in that time?
Antoine: I intend to work on this in the coming week
... prior to that I want to talk about the length of the
descriptions
... the existing Use Case documents use shorter descriptions than
the ones submitted to us
... should we summarize in our SKOS UC document or would we prefer
to keep the full data?
Guus: my preference is to keep the full data
... might be nice to have in addition a short summary in terms of
SKOS requirements
... perhaps 2 paragraphs that summarize the key points
Antoine: I can contribute an icon class use case
Daniel: what are the tasks for the editors for this week?
Guus: I would like the UCR editors to create a document that
includes all the submitted use cases
<TomB> [35]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
[35] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/EditedUCs
Ralph: I am quite happy leaving it to the UCR editors' discretion
whether or how much to summarize a use case description
Daniel: is there a document started already?
Antoine: no, just wiki data
Guus: just a compilation of responses is fine for now
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest including full data that is
edited (e.g., questions removed) to improve readability
Tom: there are some things in the [36]raw data that could be omitted
just for readability
... e.g. repeating the questions verbatim
... editors can use discretion in dropping repetitive information
[36] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RucAims
Daniel: I was thinking of an executive summary that captures what is
important for SKOS
Guus: sounds good
SKOS branding
-> "[37][SKOS] branding" [Alistair]
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Dec/0085.html
Alistair: the issue is presenting SKOS in a way that is easier to
understand
... previously we'd divided SKOS into 3 pieces and the old Web site
reflects that division
... I think it makes more sense now to present all of SKOS as one
thing, not divide into Core, Vocabulary
<aliman> [38]http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/webstage/
[38] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/webstage/
Alistair: so I'm halfway through refactoring the SKOS website
... to make a single introduction to the area
... any objections to my continuing with this or suggestions?
Guus: I had some access issues; should that page be public?
Alistair: yes, it should be public
-> [39]which W3C mirror are you getting?
[39] http://www.w3.org/Help/whereami
Ralph: the [40]wereami page may help in diagnosing access problems
to the W3C servers
[40] http://www.w3.org/Help/whereami
RESOLVED: Alistair's refactoring of SKOS pages can proceed
Other Deliverables
RDFa
-> "[41][RDFa] Documents ready for review" [Ben]
[41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0015.html
Guus: I volunteered to review these documents
ACTION: Guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[CONTINUES]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08
RalphS: In BPD WG, we had two reviewers.
Guus: Same process here - two reviewers not involved, then group
decides.
RalphS: Guus is one reviewer. So essentially Ben is asking for a
second reviewer.
Guus: For publishing first working draft, need to assess - "is it
suitable for discussion with public?" - only
RalphS: No minimal definitions. Only real requirement: pass
publication rules. Is it reasonable for publication?
Guus: At some point, editors say "we think it is ready". Two others
send comments. There is a short discussion. Then chairs propose a
decision for WG as a whole and WG decides.
... Diff from Recommendation. For WG, only "sufficient info for
which we want feedback from public". Don't have to agree on
everything. Must be of interest to public.
... Would expect new primer version, and Use Case document, to be
good candidates.
Bernard: deadline?
Guus: pubn decision Jan 22-23 and review in the coming week.
... need one week for process.
... people besides reviewers are welcome to comment.
ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa. [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies
ACTION: [DONE] Jon will choose one of the three issues pages, create
a proposed format, and then post to the list for discussion
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action11
-> [45]Cookbook Issues Page [Jon]
[45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0000.html
Jon: I have to add a clarification to an issue that Diego posted
Guus: the chairs open [accept] an issue and assign an owner
... is Diego willing to be the owner of issue [46]COOKBOOK-I1.1?
[46] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipesIssues#head-7f03e69783008d22f1e9d3ac843f682aa53a4d5e
Diego: accepted
ACTION: Diego progress issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action10]
Deliverable 3: Principles for Managing RDF Vocabularies (namespaces,
change management, versioning)
Guus: leave this for next week or f2f as we're out of time
[adjourn]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Daniel will review RDFa. [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Diego progress issue COOKBOOK-I1.1 [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: RalphS inform group on evening event. [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Everyone should be registered for the F2F by 10
Jan [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to review RDFa documents [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus/TomB to put item on f2f agenda to make
publication decision for RDFa documents (use cases and primer)
[recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: TomB and Guus to look at proposal for assigning
scribe duties [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair will send the outstanding issues to the list
and Jon will paste into the formatted page [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon to create an issues page on the wiki [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon will choose one of the three issues pages, create
a proposed format, and then post to the list for discussion
[recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Sean to submit SKOS and rules issue using agreed
issue format, directly into issues wiki page (waiting for Jon)
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Alistair to prepare issues list for January
meeting [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[End of minutes]
_____________________________________________________
[51] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action02
[52] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action08
[53] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action09
[54] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action01
[55] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action05
[56] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/12-swd-minutes.html#action07
[57] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-swd-minutes.html#action11
[58] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-swd-minutes.html#action04
[59] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/28-swd-minutes.html#action06
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