- From: Sean Bechhofer <sean.bechhofer@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:35:35 +0000
- To: SWD Working SWD <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The record [1] of this week's SWD WG telecon is ready for review. A
text copy follows below.
Cheers,
Sean
[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SWD WG
18 Dec 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0097.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
Quentin, Clay, Tom, Alistair, Ed, Ralph, Sean, Justin,
Margherita, Daniel, Diego, Jon
Regrets
Guus, Vit, Simone, Elisa
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Sean
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary Management
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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ADMIN
Proposed to accept minutes:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html
Resolved
Next telecon: 8th January 2008
SKOS
Alistair: Hoping to have version of SKOS Reference Editor's Draft
for review by end of the week
... first draft of sections on Conceptual Resoruces, Concept Schemes
... Lexical Lables, Documentation properties, semantic relationsips
... still to do a couple of sections.
... ideally first draft by end of the week. Need to hook up with
Sean over
... content and rules of thumb.
ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded
in [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in
[ ][13]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03
SKOS Primer
ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
Alistair: Antoine has volunteered to write something for the primer.
Alistair has
... said yes please, go ahead and we can decide where it goes later.
Ed: Haven't had a lot of time to dedicate to it. Antoine has been
making
... progress. Posting links on wiki as the document unfolds.
<ed> [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer
Tom: Fine to use the wiki for drafting docs.
... Projected goal for draft?
Ed: Goal was to have a fair amount for today. Realistically required
stable Reference
... Antoine and Ed will hopefully knock out simple stuff this week.
Alistair: Reference as it is (in w3 space) is not an editors draft
yet, so could
... potentially change. Please look as early as possible at the
content.
... Shout asap if anything doesn't make sense or looks wrong or
needs addresssing.
Ed: Thinking about updating core guide to reflect latest stuff
rather than recreating new text.
... just change what needs to be changed
Tom: Draft is in w3 space?
Alistair: Drafting reference as HTML document within SWD CVS space.
<aliman>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/master.html ->
reference master
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/master.html
Alistair: this is file that's being edited live. Will create copy
with datestamped URI
... once the draft is ready. Treat this URI as volatile.
Tom: Can we update deliverables page with links?
Alistair: Not sure about that -- this is pre editors draft stage.
Ralph: What are your concerns?
Alistair: None specific, but general unease
Ralph: If the status is accurate, then it's fine.
Alistair: Ok, says it has no status
Ed: Got the feeling that Antoine would like to do the same with
Primer
Tom: Suggest that we keep editing the wiki page called deliverables.
Add link to the
... latest one. Then WG participants can pick up the latest
versions.
<Ralph> [18]SWD Deliverables Wiki
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
ISSUE 39
ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for next week
telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alistair's 3 subtopics [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07
Tom: To decide on this call.
Ralph: Link in minutes refers to specific version (5). Is this
right?
Tom: yes.
... Any comments?
<Ralph> [20]A revised proposal for ISSUE-39 ConceptualMappingLinks
[CORRECTION] [Antoine 16-Dec]
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0083.html
Alistair: Bit behind. Would be happy accepting the resolution.
... will only get to grips when writing Reference.
<ed> aliman++
Tom: Happy to move forward if we feel this reflects our
understanding of the problem.
... accept this as a resolution to ISSUE-39 and come back if
necessary.
Alistair: whether or not we take this as a resolution I will take
the content as is and try and work
... it into the Reference. If we formally resolve, would be happy to
revisit.
Tom: Propose that we resolve not to formally accept this as a
solution, but
... resolve that Alistair will write this up in SKOS Reference and
we will revisit this after that.
Alistair: Would it be helpful to us to accept the resolution. Issue
as it stands is broad "we want conceptual mapping links".
... Later issues will be more specific. May help to resolve the
broader issue.
Tom: Like this. Pushed grouping into context and takes a stand on
related/overlapping.
... Stake in the ground.
... Would be happy to accept a resolution closing this. But want
more
... support for this from the WG!
Ed: I like the sound of closing the issue.
Ralph: No strong opinion either way. Unclear on sub issues.
... Is the expectation that we open a new issue on grouping?
Tom: Good question. To what extent do issues #40 and #45 discuss the
grouping constructs
Alistair: If we have a mechanism for "co-ordinating" concepts, that
would satisfy some requirements.
... There is some overlap between #40 and grouping constructs. Could
use a co-ordination instead of AND.
... Not sure about #45 . Not sure how to model it. Not entirely at
the conceptual level.
... It's related, but not sure how overlapping it is. May need to
raise another issue. Bit vague....
Ralph: Happy with closing #39 if it's internal and we'll re-raise
grouping if appropriate.
Alistair: Original SKOS mapping vocab had AND/OR/NOT. Starting point
for recent discussions. Came from
... some practice. There is precedent for doing AND/OR like
combinations when mapping.
Tom: In the old mapping vocab. Issue was is mapping sufficient.
Could it be simplified.
... do we have a requirement for this?
Marghe: Sent an email to the list to show how grouping relationship
has been used.
... realised they used them more that inexact match. But if we use
the grouping, then the mapping is only one way
... which limits the mapping to be one way. Bidirectional mapping
much more useful.
... Discarding them gives less precision, but provides much more
useful mappings.
Tom: Propose that we resolve to accept this but take action to
clarify whether the grouping constructs
... issues are being addressed adequately. Would make sense to close
this and open more specific.
Alistair: Difficult piece of work. What do you mean when you create
mappings?
... How do you process those mappings when doing IR across different
indexes? Could translate query
... or translate metadata. Depends on your operational theory of
what the query means.
Alistair: Directionality becomes important
<Ralph> The message I believe Margherita was citing: [21]RE: SKOS
ISSUE-39: clarification? [Margherita, 11-Dec]
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0056.html
Tom: Should close #39 and do some triage
... decide whether it makes sense for these constructs to be in
scope.
... Could distract us and make work more compicated.
... Can someone take an action and decide whether it's in scope.
... Alistair, Tom, Ed in favour
<Ralph> [22]Antoine's proposal
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0083.html
RESOLUTION: Accept Antoine's proposal
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0083.h
tml as a resolution to ISSUE-39.
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0083.html
<aliman>
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0025.h
tml -> alistair's mail on grouping constructs
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0025.html
Alistair: Wrote mail about grouping constructs
... started out in SKOS mapping with AND, OR and NOT. Only way to
give an operational meaning is
... to treat them as query expressions. Then not mapping between
concepts but query expressions.
... So first need a notion of a query. Query is out of scope for
SKOS. So position I took was to
... see AND, OR and NOT as being out of scope.
... happy to take an action to state problem at higher level. Would
also like Margherita to continue
... her work in this area.
Tom: Position makes sense. Question is whether the primer needs to
address the issue. Legacy vocab
... with these constructs. If they're not in the CR, do we need a
comment or footnote in the Primer? Good to
... have a position on what to do about the issue.
... Drop without comment, or say something?
Ralph: Alistair's mail addresses these issues well.
Tom: But do we need to address this in documents.
Ralph: Would be appropriate to go through all the differences
between legacy and LC docs.
Tom: Good to capture the analysis that Alistair's done.
Ralph: What is the extent of things that will be different?
... advantage of mail archive is that emails can be cited.
... Recast question: how do we remember this email message?
ACTION: Ralph to add pointer to Alistair's mail on grouping
constructs as a note to resolution of ISSUE-39. [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action05]
ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of
the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06
Tom: Running out of time. Propose we declare Antoine's action as
done, and put ISSUE-36 on the call for Jan 8th.
ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a
discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09
RESOLUTION: ISSUE-36 on the call for Jan 8th
ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on
Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[DROPPED]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of
rdfs:isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.h
tml [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/
0141.html
ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to
the issue list. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
RDFa
Ed: Haven't seen an updated version
Ralph: No, there's not.
... can't remember the date promised
Ed: Lots of discussion about test cases
Tom: Aim at having reviews of syntax document posted to list by Jan
4th?
Ralph: But no editors draft to review.
<Ralph> [33]2007-12-13 RDFa telecon minutes (not yet cleaned)
[33] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes
Tom: Ideal schedule was to decide on LC on Jan 8th. If Diego and Ed
are to review, post reviews by Jan 4th
... then we take decision on Tuesday
ACTION: Diego to review RDFa syntax document by early January
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action12]
ACTION: Ed to review RDFa syntax document by early January [recorded
in [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding
maintenance of wiki document
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[37] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with
assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule recorded
in [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
[40] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
Recipes
Tom: No change to approve publication
Ed: Good as no time to review.
ACTION: Ralph and Ed to review recipes document [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[CONTINUES]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18
ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07
ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior"
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes
implementations] [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04
->
[45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/0057.h
tml
[45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Dec/
0057.html
Jon: Editors should include language in Ralph's proposal
ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
implementations] [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[46] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03
Vocabulary Management
ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target
sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a
standard structure for sections [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[47] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Diego to review RDFa syntax document by early January
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to review RDFa syntax document by early January
[recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to add pointer to Alistair's mail on grouping
constructs as a note to resolution of ISSUE-39. [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next
week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on
relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users
[recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom
[regarding maintenance of wiki document
[55]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki
[58]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule recorded
in [59]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects
[recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and
add to the issue list. [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph and Ed to review recipes document [recorded
in [63]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the
target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and
potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference
[recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[52] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04
[53] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05
[54] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06
[55] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
[56] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05
[57] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03
[58] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
[59] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04
[60] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action07
[61] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01
[62] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02
[63] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action18
[64] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[65] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03
[66] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07
[67] http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to send a mail to the list so as to have a
discussion on ISSUE-36 and isDefinedBy for next week's telecon
[recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to send a msg proposing a resolution for next
week telecon on ISSUE-39 considering Alistair's 3 subtopics
[recorded in
[69]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[70]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[68] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action09
[69] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action07
[70] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action04
[DROPPED] ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of
isDefinedBy [recorded in
[71]http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[71] http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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