- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:17:59 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's meeting [1] is now available for review.
A text snapshot follows at the end of this message.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html
Topics
1. Admin
2. F2F January 22-23?
3. Introduction
4. SKOS Requirements
5. Other Short-Term Deliverables
6. AOB; ISWC feedback
Summary of Resolutions
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 31 Oct telecon: http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html
RESOLVED Next telecon will be 14 November, 1600 UTC
RESOLVED SWD will meet face-to-face at MIT on 22-23 Jan 2007, with remote participation facilities
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair propose a format for presenting use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions to invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases and requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus cite some examples of other Requirements documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles as SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph point Jon, Daniel, Antoine at the W3C tech report editors materials [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to discuss changing telecon time with Guus [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility issue evolves [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Elisa to post announcement to SWD list [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action04]
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SWD WG
7 Nov 2006
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/0005.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2006-10-31
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Daniel Rubin, Bernard Horan, Antoine
Isaac, Diego Berreuta, Alistair Miles, Guus Schreiber, Jon
Phipps, Guus Schreiber
Regrets
Sean Bechhofer, Elisa Kendall
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* [5]Topics
1. [6]Admin
2. [7]F2F January 22-23?
3. [8]Introduction
4. [9]SKOS Requirements
5. [10]Other Short-Term Deliverables
6. [11]AOB; ISWC feedback
* [12]Summary of Action Items
____________________________________________________
1. Admin
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 31 Oct telecon:
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html
[13] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html
ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
Tom: I've started some [15]notes on scribing. Ralph and I will work
on filling in some of the gaps on this
[15] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html
ACTION: Tom to discuss changing telecon time with Guus [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08
Tom: conflict with RIF WG telecon was noted last week
... Guus and I exchanged a bit of mail
RESOLUTION: Next telecon will be 14 November, 1600 UTC
ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility
issue evolves [recorded in
[47][17]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07
ACTION: [DONE] Elisa to post announcement to SWD list [recorded in
[47][19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
[19] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02
-> [21][SWD] Announcement re: Ontology Definition Metamodel (ODM)
Specification [Elisa 2006-11-01]
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/0002.html
F2F January 22-23?
Tom: I would not be able to attend a meeting on those days
Ralph: Fabien would like to meet
... Elisa abstains, will come if held
... also Mark Birbeck and Steven Pemberton from the HTML WG would be
wiling to attend
... Elias Torres would send regrets
Alistair: I would like to meet, have to confirm that I could travel
Guus: would Tom be able to join by telecon?
Tom: yes
<aliman> I could certainly join 22-23 Jan by telecon
<aliman> will get back to ralph re possibility of travel
Antoine: I could come to a meeting, neutral+ on meeting
Daniel: regrets; I have a conflict
Bernard: would be able to attend, what are the goals?
Tom: 2 big items would be the meeting focus: SKOS and RDFa
<JonP> I'd like to meet if I'm able to travel
Antoine: I'm focussed on SKOS
Tom: if we have a critical mass of people for either SKOS or RDFa
then it's worthwhile holding a meeting
Daniel: SKOS
Bernard: SKOS
Diego: interested in both SKOS and RDFa, more experience with SKOS,
would like to attend but don't yet know if I can
Alistair: will attend by telecon if I cannot travel
Jon: expect to be able to attend, primary interest is SKOS
Guus: could we have a SKOS issues list as input to a January
meeting?
Alistair: yes, that sounds reasonable
Ralph: will attend, think it's a good idea to meet
RESOLUTION: SWD will meet face-to-face at MIT on 22-23 Jan 2007,
with remote participation facilities
Introduction
Tom: welcome Jon Phipps
Jon: I'm an independent consultant working for Cornell University on
a metadata repository
... we're using SKOS as a base model for our vocabulary description
... hope to make a meta-thesaurus for vocabulary description
... hope to be able to migrate vocabularies from other systems into
SKOS
<aliman> [22]JonP & Diane Hillman's paper at DC2006 was very good
...
[22] http://www.citebase.org/abstract?id=oai%3AarXiv.org%3Acs%2F0605111
<aliman> lots of important feedback and criticism of SKOS
SKOS Requirements
ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems. [recorded
in [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06
Alistair: I hope to be able to post some use cases over the next few
weeks and talk to some organizations before Christmas time
ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
Daniel: I discussed 3 possible communities
... I'll send email to the list summarizing the use cases I see
Tom: need editors for Requirements document
Guus: we have the current SKOS documents and Alistair has started an
issues list
<aliman> [25]SKOS issues and proposals list
[25] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals
Guus: it would be nice to settle on the issue list and be able to
discuss the requirements by January f2f
... the requirements [can] become part of the final W3C
Recommendation, so perhaps it's an inducement to some to get their
names on a W3C Recommendation
... between now an the January f2f we could generate a draft
Requirements document with a goal to approving this draft for
publication during the January meeting
... gather example use cases and generate requirements from these
use cases
... and generate some more general requirements too
... this process worked well in OWL
<TomB> [26]requirements thread
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0022.html
Daniel: as we already have SKOS documents, we should consider these
in the requirements, right?
Guus: the requirements have to be within the scope of our WG charter
... Alistair came up with ideas about what the vocabulary should be
used for; metadata for indexing in retrieval
... within that scope we can define any requirement we want
... and reconcile conflicts
Daniel: why is what the vocabulary is to be used for important?
Alistair: I'm putting so much emphasis on the ultimate use of the
vocabulary because SKOS makes a number of simplifications
... the simplifications are to capture what is common between types
of vocabularies; thesaurii, subject heading schemes, and
classification schemes are considered different types of systems but
have overlap
... in SKOS we want to decide what information needs to be
represented so the downstream applications can perform the function
they need to perform
... we want to bridge the gaps between these similar vocabulary
types that are often considered to be different
... so there is a need to generate interoperability
... this is the only way I see to be able to clearly define
'sufficiency of representation'
... there are a number of ways one could represent each of the
vocabularies in RDF
... without a focus on the ultimate use of the data it becomes a
matter of taste on the choice of RDF representation
... we risk growing to try to cope with everyone's favorite feature
[if we don't focus on use]
... one of SKOS' selling points is its simplicity
... we need to continue to keep SKOS simple while satisfying the
requirements that need to be satisfied
Tom: it sounds like this explanation should be part of the first or
second page of the requirements document
Ralph: the responsibility of the editor is to collect and organize
the discussions we have in our telecons and to identify unresolved
issues
Guus: I'd like someone other than Alistair to be the Requirements
editor, as Alistair is also one of the developers
Antoine: I am willing to edit the Requirements document, would like
a partner
Daniel: I'm willing to help
Guus: I would prefer to have people who are currently working on
vocabularies
... the WG has to provide them content
Jon: I'm interested too
Alistair: Jon just went through a use cases analysis with a metadata
registry project; I'd like him to help
Tom: ideally we'd have a document to circulate in early January in
preparation for Jan 22 meeting
Bernard: are you also interested in contributors as well as editors?
Alistair: absolutely!
Ralph: everyone in the WG should be contributing
Guus: I'll supply as much as possible from my projects
ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles as
SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
ACTION: Ralph point Jon, Daniel, Antoine at the W3C tech report
editors materials [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action08]
ACTION: Guus cite some examples of other Requirements documents
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action09]
Guus: the roles might be to divide the domains we're looking at and
solicit contributions from each domain
... might be a lead editor who has the responsibility for updating
W3C CVS
... to start, I'd look at the different content pieces and divide
those up; e.g. Daniel might take the biomedical,
... Antoine might take the libraries
Alistair: let's also collect use cases by email
... a picture might emerge after a couple of weeks and then we'll
have a table of contents
Guus: would the esw-thes mailing list be another source of
contributions?
Alistair: sure
ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions to
invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases and
requirements [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
Guus: for example, in OWL I created a format for people to submit
their use cases
... this helped in reducing the work to edit all the contributions
into a single document
Alistair: I'm happy to make a suggestion regarding a format and how
to phrase questions
ACTION: Alistair propose a format for presenting use cases [recorded
in [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action11]
Other Short-Term Deliverables
<aliman> [32]TimBL's blog entry on future of HTML
[32] http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/166
Ralph: the HTML WG has been working on expired charter. Question on
how to prioritize work on HTML version 4 versus XHTML. Current WG
has been focused on XHTML.
... Issues list needs to be made more user-friendly. Requirements
document by early January?
... for discussion on January 22-23.
AOB; ISWC Feedback
Guus: I'm here at ISWC and hope to collect feedback on several
items, including RDFa
... have met Harry Halpin, chair of GRDDL WG
... he has colleagues who are very interested in the SKOS work
... he's also interested in seeing us complete our recipes document
and the vocabulary management work
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair propose a format for presenting use cases
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions
to invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases
and requirements [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus cite some examples of other Requirements
documents [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles
as SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph point Jon, Daniel, Antoine at the W3C tech
report editors materials [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to discuss changing telecon time with Guus
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems.
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft
[recorded in
[47][40]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179
compatibility issue evolves [recorded in
[47][42]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Elisa to post announcement to SWD list [recorded in
[47][45]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08
[39] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06
[47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
[40] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
[47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
[42] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07
[44] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
[47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
[45] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02
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