- From: Daniel Rubin <dlrubin@stanford.edu>
- Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:47:28 -0800
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The [1]record of today's SemWeb Deployment WG telecon is ready for review.
A text copy follows below.
[1]
<http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-swd-minutes.html>http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Bernard Horan, Sean Bechhofer, Elisa
Kendall, Diego Berrueta, Daniel Rubin, Rachel Yager
Regrets
Guus Schreiber, Antoine Isaac, Alistair Miles
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Daniel
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS requirements
3. [7]short-term deliverables
* [8]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<TomB> RalphS, I lost my phone connection! Re-dialing...
<RalphS> Previous: [9]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html
<dlrubin> could someone point me to the link where the dialin
instructions live for this tcon?
<berrueta> thanks, RalphS
<RalphS>
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.h
tml
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.html
<RalphS> agenda contains dialing instructions, Daniel
<seanb> If Alistair Miles hasn't yet emailed to the list, he sends
his apologies. He's been in Manchester for a meeting and will be
travelling back now.
<dlrubin> Thanks very much. It would be nice if you put a link to
the tcon details on the SWD web page (at least, I don't see it
there)
<RalphS> noted, Daniel
<RalphS> Scribe: Daniel
<RalphS> scribenick: dlrubin
<TomB> dlrubin: can you illustrate that please?
Tom: explaining how to scribe
<TomB> ...this is an example.
Tom: continuing to explain
RalphS: need to say who scribenick is
Admin
TomB: roll call. encourage people to do self-intros
<RalphS> [Topic: introduces each agenda item]
TomB: write a paragraph and post to list
... Motion to accept minutes from oct 24
... Seconded by Ralphs
... motion passed
<RalphS> I added Rachel to the list of attendees
TomB: two pending actions.
... next tcon will be 11/7
Elisa: As of Monday, the OMG announced ontology definition metamodel
is adopted spec
<Elisa> [11]http://www.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ptc/2006-10-11 - ODM
Specification
[11] http://www.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ptc/2006-10-11
<RalphS> [we should continue the incomplete actions explicitly; ala
...
<RalphS> ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action01]
<RalphS> conventions [recorded in
<RalphS> [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
RalphS: pls add to list
<RalphS> drop action 1
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa to post announcement to SWD list [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02]
<RalphS> ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
SKOS requirements
<RalphS> ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to link to chris' telecon notes from
SWD homepage [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action02
<RalphS> ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems.
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06
<RalphS> ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft [recorded
in
[$1\47][18]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
<RalphS> scribenick: RalphS
Daniel: I've talked with a couple of the groups I mentioned last
meeting
... it's a good opportunity; there interest in contributing to the
development of a standard they can use to distribute their
terminologies on the Web
... they'd use SKOS if it meets all their needs
... they're currently using OWL
... how should we proceed to develop this use case?
... the WG could give them a strawman and ask for feedback
Tom: what is the current state of their terminology?
Daniel: they are currently expressing their relationships in OWL
... one group is using Protege frames but are planning to convert
this to OWL
Elisa: I have another similar opportunity; I have been asked by a
group working on ISO 11179 to help them put this into OWL
... they already have a lot of it in UML
... and I have some tools to convert UML to OWL
... because their work is evolving we may have the opportunity to
impact it
... Bruce Bargmeyer is my contact
Tom: ISO 11179 is pretty big; it has 6 parts
Elisa: parts 2 and 3 are relevant, part 3 is what I think is the
focus
Tom: this is a very interesting opportunity
Daniel: this is connected to National Cancer Institute work and is a
huge opportunity
Elisa: see XMDR www.xmdr.org and look at latest UML and OWL versions
... though a bit out of sync with the document text
... they've recently sent me XMI stuff
<TomB> [20]http://hpcrd.lbl.gov/SDM/XMDR/overview.html
[20] http://hpcrd.lbl.gov/SDM/XMDR/overview.html
-> [21]http://www.xmdr.org/ eXtended MetaData Registry Project
[21] http://www.xmdr.org/
Daniel: how much technical expertise is needed?
Elisa: XMI is an XML serialiaztion of MOF, a subset of UML
... they've sent me both OWL and XMI; the OWL is OWL-lite
... also, Frank Olken is now at NSF; he was also involved in 11179
<dlrubin> Link to ISO/IEC 11179:
[22]http://metadata-standards.org/11179/
[22] http://metadata-standards.org/11179/
<TomB> RalphS: concern we might set too-high expectations re: SWD
working group and 11179
<TomB> Daniel: We use the use cases to drive evolution of SKOS -
make sure it supports needs of other communities. Interest in 11179:
is there stuff in there that should influence the evolution of SKOS?
<scribe> scribenick: tomB
TomB CABig - NCI Cancer Bioinformatics Grid - metadata for clinical
trials uses 11179 for terminologies for data-capture purposes.
Interoperability with SKOS would be great.
... Have ISO 11179 map to SKOS - make sure SKOS is compatible.
<dlrubin> scribnick: Daniel
Elisa: Any review on SKOS compatibility would be very helpful - even
informal.
<dlrubin> Elisa: any help in making skos compatible with iso 11179
would be good
<dlrubin> ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179
compatibility issue evolves [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
<dlrubin> Ralph: there is already a working draft of skos
RalphS: Looking for Alistair informal presentation earlier this
year...
<dlrubin> ...we should consider that to be the strawman
RalphS: our task is to finish the SKOS WD...
... based on feedback from 11179 and others...
...the reason to to skos work in this WG, it's important to have OWL
expertise involved
...it could appear that OWL and SKOS are trying to represent similar
types of relationships
...we want to make sure there is enough expertise to understand what
OWL subclassing and SKOS broader/narrower is doing
...people familar with OWL would be good to be involved in setting
skos reqirements
Elisa: we are still a smal group. Will there be more OWL best
practices people
Ralph: not necessarily. We have 15 people in the WG
...Mike is interested
...we may persuade him to stay involved
Elisa: Deb has been travelling a lot...
...conf call conflict with rif call
...there are many people in Best Practices in the rif group
Ralph: probably can't move the call later
Elisa: Conflict with RIF call - SWD could potentially have more
participants involved in RIF.
<dlrubin> ACTION: Tom to discuss with Juus [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08]
<RalphS> scribenick: dlrubin
<TomB> Elisa: any day of the week at this time. Or move up one hour.
Elisa: any day of the week is fine, preferably after 7am.
Daniel: any day except Tues, preferably after 7am Pacific
<RalphS> (elisa:7am == 7am US Pacific Time == 1500 UTC now)
<ryager> I prefer to stay with the current time.
<TomB> Daniel: same - any other day of the week. No earlier than
7am.
Seanb: likes this current time
<TomB> Sean: likes this time. Could potentially change.
berrueta: likes this time
<TomB> Bernard: rearranged this week around this time.
Rachel: prefer the current time
<TomB> Rachel: prefer to stay with current.
short-term deliverables
TomB: anyone else able to report on RDF and XHTML tcon?
Ralph: Ben is traveling
... Nothing new to report since last week
tomb: We have finished the agenda
... propose we close early today
<RalphS> [25]rough minutes from Mandelieu informal meeting
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0021.html
<RalphS> [26]Alistair on SKOS, RDFS, & OWL
[26] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/03-swbp-minutes.html#item07
TomB: meeting adjourned
<RalphS> [27]SKOS discusssion
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/03-swbp-minutes.html#item04
<TomB> swick@w3.org
<RalphS> [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html
<RalphS> [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-16-04
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-16-04
<RalphS> [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
<TomB>
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.h
tml
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.html
<RalphS> [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
<RalphS> [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft [recorded in
[$1\47][34]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179
compatibility issue evolves [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Elisa to post announcement to SWD list [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to discuss with Juus [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems.
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06
[41] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to link to chris' telecon notes from SWD
homepage [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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