- From: Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) <dbooth@hp.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:05:00 -0400
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Minutes of teleconference 2006-04-26 in HTML: http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html and also below in plain text. --------------------------------------------------------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ Semantic Web Best Practices and Deployment WG 24 Apr 2006 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0061.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-irc Attendees Present David Booth Ralph Swick, Libby Miller, Raphael Troncy, David Wood, Christian Halaschek-Wiener, Elisa Kendall, Guus Schreiber, Jacco van Ossenbruggen, Ben Adida Regrets Fabien Gandon, Jeff Pan, Fabio Vitali Chair David Wood, Guus Schreiber Scribe DBooth Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]1. ADMIN 2. [6]2. LIAISON 3. [7]3. TASK FORCE UPDATES 4. [8]3.1 PORT - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL (Alistair) 5. [9]3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns (Deb/Chris) 6. [10]3.3 WordNet (Aldo) 7. [11]3.5 VM - Vocabulary Management (TomB) 8. [12]3.6 HTML - Embedding RDF in HTML (Ben) 9. [13]3.7 ADTF - Applications and Demos (Libby) 10. [14]3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability (Steve) 11. [15]3.9 Tutorial Page\ 12. [16]3.10 SE - Software Engineering 13. [17]3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation * [18]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <RalphS> Previous: 2006-04-03 [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes <scribe> Agenda: [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0061. html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0061.html 1. ADMIN RESOLUTION: to accept the minutes of the 3 April 2006 telecon: [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes PROPOSED upcoming telecons: 8 Mayj Guus: There may be time between the start of other WGs taking up leftover work from this WG. DWood and I discussed limited continuation without formal approval, and agreed to do it. ... It will be a limited activity extension, provided there is participation from WG members. Telecons only by need. Ben: Thank you for volunteering to do this. It will be very helpful for our TF. Elisa: I also appreciate your support. Raphael: Busy with XG proposal. Should start very soon and be announced very soon. <libby> yes? <libby> ok that's fine Guus: Libby, we might want to discuss your TF transition. <libby> not done much on it lately though <Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to proposed continuedbiweekly telecons Ralh: Tom Baker and others are traveling this month, but i'm sure they'll be pleased. Ralph: Reason for bridge period is to help docs in the pipeline. I think it would be useful to keep telecons in place. Much easier to cancel than to schedule ad hoc. dbooth: +1 <benadida> I will be at WWW2006/AC meeting Guus: May 22 is WWW2006. How many goingn to WWW2006? DWood: I think we should do it, and those who can attend will. <RalphS> I expect to be (remotely) attending the AC meeting on the 22nd, but will make an attempt to participate Proposal: Telecon may 22 and every 2 weeks: June 5, June 19. <raphael> Jacco and Raphael travel to WWWW too RESOLUTION: Meetings May 8, May 22, June 5, June 19. Guus: Announcements: Defining N-ary Relations on the Semantic Web Note published [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0028. html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0028.html 2. LIAISON (Nothing) 3. TASK FORCE UPDATES List of output documents: [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0060. html [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0060.html 3.1 PORT - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL (Alistair) (Nobody present) 3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns (Deb/Chris) <scribe> ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUED] [24] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04 <scribe> ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] [25] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05 Guus: I need to talk to Alan Rector on this. <scribe> ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01] DONE [26] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01 <scribe> ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10 <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to find out who were previous reviewers of part-whole doc and see if they will re-review [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [DROPPED] [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08 Ralph: Confused about this. Had a review? Guus: We had a first review. Jacco: My action to review was on hold pending revision of the doc. <scribe> ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [DROPPED] [29] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02 <Jacco> ok Ralph: Version referenced from WG home page is on Alan Rector's site, dated 15 Jan. <Jacco> 2 weeks ago I only found a page date august 2005 Ralph: Do we want to get it on the WG plate? Guus: Yes. <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph copy [30]http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-pa rt-whole-relations-v0-2.html to WG area [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [30] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Erector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-who le-relations-v0-2.html <RalphS> 15 Jan 2005 <RalphS> Ralph: and I will fix its style to cease claiming it is a Working Draft <scribe> ACTION: Elisa/Chris to work with Ralph to make part-whole doc ready for publication (Elisa took over this action from Chris and Alan) [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11] [DROPPED] [32] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11 Guus: We already voted to publish that. I don't understand Jacco's review action. Ralph: This was in limbo for a long time because of the lost bits on Chris Welty's hard drive crash. <Jacco> Ralph, the version I see on [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/ is still august 2005 [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/ <Jacco> Ah! Ralph: This is confusing. OEP page points to Aug 11 2005draft, but WG home page (under Other Editors Drafts) points to Jan 2005 version. Jacco: We discussed it during the F2F. Ralph: We didn't find any new bits since the F2F. Guus: OEP needs to find out where is the current version. <scribe> ACTION: Elisa to find correct latest version of part-whole draft. [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action09] Ralph: Last version checked into CVS was Aug 13 2005. W3C doesn't have a more recent version. Guus: In the meantime I'm checking the QCR note. It just requires final review. <RalphS> Ralph: the most recent version of Simple part-whole we have committed to W3C CVS was committed on 2005-08-13 Guus: The only thing I think needs to be done is people working on OWL 1.1 initiative have also proposed a syntax for QCRs. QCR = Qualified Cardinality Constraints Guus: So it would be good to get this published so that WG could take it as input. <RalphS> OEP Home page points to -> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/QCR/ Qualified cardinality restrictions [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/QCR/ <Elisa> zakim mute me <scribe> ACTION: Guus to propose a version of QCR note for review by 8 May teleconf [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action10] <Elisa> zakim unmute me Guus: I propose we get rid of the part-whole actions and replace them with Elisa's action to find latest version. <Elisa> zakim mute me <Elisa> thanks -- :) <RalphS> Ralph: I will update the WG home page to cite the Aug 2005 version of part-whole, to avoid confusion with the Jan 2005 version <Jacco> check! <scribe> ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] [37] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03 <scribe> DONE: [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0021. html [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0021.html <Elisa> zakim unmute me Guus: Who was second reviewer of Time note? <scribe> ACTION: Elisa to figure out who was 2nd reviewer of Time note [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action12] <scribe> ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [40] http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09 <scribe> new version of OWL Time: [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0045. html [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0045.html 3.3 WordNet (Aldo) <scribe> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07] NOTE [DONE] [42] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07 <Elisa> zakim mute me Guus: Proposed to use W3C URIs, and mark agreed. New draft available today. <scribe> ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using W3 URI's in next draft [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06] DONE [43] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06 <scribe> New draft (23 April): [44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0060. html [44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0060.html <guus> [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0073. html [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0073.html Guus: Propose publishing new draft as 1st WG draft, with one amendment: All URIs should work in W3C space. ... Mark needs to finish changing princeton URIs to W3C. ... Draft has had extensive discussion, and will continue being discussed. <RalphS> (yes, the 23 April draft still has princeton.edu URIs from Appendix G onward) Ralph: Jacco and Benjamin were reviewers. Guus: There's a message from Benjamin saying he can live with all the changes. Ralph: If we get mail confirmation from Benjamin then we're good to go. Jacco: No problem with latest version. <RalphS> Jacco: I haven't read the 23 April version but based on the mail discussion I have no problem Guus: Propose we publish 23 April WD on two conditions: 1. Ralph and Mark make URIs work in W3C space; 2. Reviewers send explicit consent to the list. <Elisa> The two original reviewers of the OWL time note were Libby and Jeremy according to the notes from the F2F meeting in Galway. Ralph: I'll Check the URIs. <libby> I reviewed it elisa <libby> and so did jeremy I think <Elisa> Yes -- and I believe your comments were addressed. <libby> yeah I think so, not sure about jeremy's offhand <Elisa> + <Jacco> second! DBooth: Second <Jacco> check! Jacco: I consent. <scribe> ACTION: Guus to ask Benjamin if he agrees to the WG publishing 23 Apr version with the above provisos. [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action16] RESOLUTION: We publish 23 April Wordnet draft on two conditions: 1. Mark and Ralph make URIs work in W3C space; 2. Reviewers send explicit consent to the list. 3.5 VM - Vocabulary Management (TomB) (nobody here) 3.6 HTML - Embedding RDF in HTML (Ben) <Elisa> sorry - <benadida> [47]http://w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer [47] http://w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer Ben: I'll give reviewers credit in next draft. <benadida> ^-- URL of latest draft Ben: You need to use the Mozilla browser at present, but this will be fixed by final draft. ... I think we've address all comments but need to check once more. ... Changes from last draft are not dramatic. They were to avoid contentious issues. <RalphS> Ben: current version uses xmlspec DTD so client-side XSLT required; will be in HTML form when we publish <RalphS> [48]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-pri mer [48] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer Ben: Want it re-reviewed. Guus: Two reviewers would be okay. Previous reviewers would be fine. <scribe> ACTION: DBooth to re-review RDFa draft by next teleconf (doc ready by Wed 26 Apr for review) [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action17] Ben: Other volunteers to review? Guus: Previous reviewer was Gary. Ask him if he'll review it again. Ben: Plan is to make the normative doc a part of XHTML 2 spec. <RalphS> Ralph: suggest asking Fabien to review RDFa also Ralph: Also ask Fabien, since he's trying to implement it. <scribe> ACTION: Ben to ask Gary (and Fabien) if they would review RDFa Primer doc [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action18] <Elisa> Guus and all -- I need to jump off to catch a plane. Thanks, and talk to you in a couple of weeks. Ben: We're finding beginnings of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa marked up terms. <scribe> ACTION: Ben to send examples of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa marked up terms to WG list [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action19] <scribe> ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action20] next draft [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] [53] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action09 3.7 ADTF - Applications and Demos (Libby) Guus: Transition to outreach group? Libby: Data is there for people to take and use. Demo's broken. Page of RDF and XSLT is there. Guus: Close the TF? Libby: Please do close it. <libby> cheers guus RESOLUTION: Close ADTF - Applications and Demos TF <libby> hurrah! 3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability (Steve) (nobody here) 3.9 Tutorial Page (nobody here) 3.10 SE - Software Engineering Guus: There will be an XG on this -- perfect for continuing work on it. 3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation Jacco: Wanted version ready May 5 for discussion in last teleconf. Do we need reviewers? Guus: Best to approach previous reviewers (Guus and Mike Uschold). <libby> cheers all! <raphael> bye Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ben to ask Gary (and Fabien) if they would review RDFa Primer doc [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action18] [NEW] ACTION: Ben to send examples of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa marked up terms to WG list [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action19] [NEW] ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action20] [NEW] ACTION: DBooth to re-review RDFa draft by next teleconf (doc ready by Wed 26 Apr for review) [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action17] [NEW] ACTION: Elisa to figure out who was 2nd reviewer of Time note [recorded in [58]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action12] [NEW] ACTION: Elisa to find correct latest version of part-whole draft. [recorded in [59]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Guus to ask Benjamin if he agrees to the WG publishing 23 Apr version with the above provisos. [recorded in [60]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action16] [NEW] ACTION: Guus to propose a version of QCR note for review by 8 May teleconf [recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [NEW] ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Ralph copy [63]http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-pa rt-whole-relations-v0-2.html to WG area [recorded in [64]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [62] http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09 [63] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Erector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-who le-relations-v0-2.html [PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg [recorded in [65]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [recorded in [66]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [65] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04 [66] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05 [DONE] ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note [recorded in [67]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's [recorded in [68]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07] NOTE [DONE] ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using W3 URI's in next draft [recorded in [69]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note [recorded in [70]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki [recorded in [71]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [67] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03 [68] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07 [69] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06 [70] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01 [71] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10 [DROPPED] ACTION: Elisa/Chris to work with Ralph to make part-whole doc ready for publication (Elisa took over this action from Chris and Alan) [recorded in [72]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11] [DROPPED] ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc [recorded in [73]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [DROPPED] ACTION: Ralph to find out who were previous reviewers of part-whole doc and see if they will re-review [recorded in [74]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [72] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11 [73] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02 [74] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [75]scribe.perl version 1.127 ([76]CVS log) $Date: 2006/04/25 16:17:00 $ _________________________________________________________ [75] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [76] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ David Booth, Ph.D. HP Software dbooth@hp.com Phone: +1 617 629 8881
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