- From: Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) <dbooth@hp.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:05:00 -0400
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Semantic Web Best Practices and Deployment WG
24 Apr 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0061.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
David Booth Ralph Swick, Libby Miller, Raphael Troncy, David
Wood, Christian Halaschek-Wiener, Elisa Kendall, Guus
Schreiber, Jacco van Ossenbruggen, Ben Adida
Regrets
Fabien Gandon, Jeff Pan, Fabio Vitali
Chair
David Wood, Guus Schreiber
Scribe
DBooth
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. ADMIN
2. [6]2. LIAISON
3. [7]3. TASK FORCE UPDATES
4. [8]3.1 PORT - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL (Alistair)
5. [9]3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns (Deb/Chris)
6. [10]3.3 WordNet (Aldo)
7. [11]3.5 VM - Vocabulary Management (TomB)
8. [12]3.6 HTML - Embedding RDF in HTML (Ben)
9. [13]3.7 ADTF - Applications and Demos (Libby)
10. [14]3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability (Steve)
11. [15]3.9 Tutorial Page\
12. [16]3.10 SE - Software Engineering
13. [17]3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation
* [18]Summary of Action Items
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<RalphS> Previous: 2006-04-03
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes
[19] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes
<scribe> Agenda:
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0061.
html
[20]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0061.html
1. ADMIN
RESOLUTION: to accept the minutes of the 3 April 2006 telecon:
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes
[21] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes
PROPOSED upcoming telecons: 8 Mayj
Guus: There may be time between the start of other WGs taking up
leftover work from this WG. DWood and I discussed limited
continuation without formal approval, and agreed to do it.
... It will be a limited activity extension, provided there is
participation from WG members. Telecons only by need.
Ben: Thank you for volunteering to do this. It will be very helpful
for our TF.
Elisa: I also appreciate your support.
Raphael: Busy with XG proposal. Should start very soon and be
announced very soon.
<libby> yes?
<libby> ok that's fine
Guus: Libby, we might want to discuss your TF transition.
<libby> not done much on it lately though
<Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to proposed continuedbiweekly telecons
Ralh: Tom Baker and others are traveling this month, but i'm sure
they'll be pleased.
Ralph: Reason for bridge period is to help docs in the pipeline. I
think it would be useful to keep telecons in place. Much easier to
cancel than to schedule ad hoc.
dbooth: +1
<benadida> I will be at WWW2006/AC meeting
Guus: May 22 is WWW2006. How many goingn to WWW2006?
DWood: I think we should do it, and those who can attend will.
<RalphS> I expect to be (remotely) attending the AC meeting on the
22nd, but will make an attempt to participate
Proposal: Telecon may 22 and every 2 weeks: June 5, June 19.
<raphael> Jacco and Raphael travel to WWWW too
RESOLUTION: Meetings May 8, May 22, June 5, June 19.
Guus: Announcements:
Defining N-ary Relations on the Semantic Web Note published
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0028.
html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0028.html
2. LIAISON
(Nothing)
3. TASK FORCE UPDATES
List of output documents:
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0060.
html
[23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0060.html
3.1 PORT - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL (Alistair)
(Nobody present)
3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns (Deb/Chris)
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to
final mtg [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUED]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05
Guus: I need to talk to Alan Rector on this.
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01] DONE
[26] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to find out who were previous reviewers of
part-whole doc and see if they will re-review [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[DROPPED]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08
Ralph: Confused about this. Had a review?
Guus: We had a first review.
Jacco: My action to review was on hold pending revision of the doc.
<scribe> ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[DROPPED]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02
<Jacco> ok
Ralph: Version referenced from WG home page is on Alan Rector's
site, dated 15 Jan.
<Jacco> 2 weeks ago I only found a page date august 2005
Ralph: Do we want to get it on the WG plate?
Guus: Yes.
<RalphS> ACTION: Ralph copy
[30]http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-pa
rt-whole-relations-v0-2.html to WG area [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
[30]
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Erector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-who
le-relations-v0-2.html
<RalphS> 15 Jan 2005
<RalphS> Ralph: and I will fix its style to cease claiming it is a
Working Draft
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa/Chris to work with Ralph to make part-whole
doc ready for publication (Elisa took over this action from Chris
and Alan) [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11]
[DROPPED]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11
Guus: We already voted to publish that. I don't understand Jacco's
review action.
Ralph: This was in limbo for a long time because of the lost bits on
Chris Welty's hard drive crash.
<Jacco> Ralph, the version I see on
[33]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/ is still august
2005
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/
<Jacco> Ah!
Ralph: This is confusing. OEP page points to Aug 11 2005draft, but
WG home page (under Other Editors Drafts) points to Jan 2005
version.
Jacco: We discussed it during the F2F.
Ralph: We didn't find any new bits since the F2F.
Guus: OEP needs to find out where is the current version.
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa to find correct latest version of part-whole
draft. [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
Ralph: Last version checked into CVS was Aug 13 2005. W3C doesn't
have a more recent version.
Guus: In the meantime I'm checking the QCR note. It just requires
final review.
<RalphS> Ralph: the most recent version of Simple part-whole we have
committed to W3C CVS was committed on 2005-08-13
Guus: The only thing I think needs to be done is people working on
OWL 1.1 initiative have also proposed a syntax for QCRs.
QCR = Qualified Cardinality Constraints
Guus: So it would be good to get this published so that WG could
take it as input.
<RalphS> OEP Home page points to ->
[35]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/QCR/ Qualified
cardinality restrictions
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/QCR/
<Elisa> zakim mute me
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to propose a version of QCR note for review by
8 May teleconf [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
<Elisa> zakim unmute me
Guus: I propose we get rid of the part-whole actions and replace
them with Elisa's action to find latest version.
<Elisa> zakim mute me
<Elisa> thanks -- :)
<RalphS> Ralph: I will update the WG home page to cite the Aug 2005
version of part-whole, to avoid confusion with the Jan 2005 version
<Jacco> check!
<scribe> ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03
<scribe> DONE:
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0021.
html
[38]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0021.html
<Elisa> zakim unmute me
Guus: Who was second reviewer of Time note?
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa to figure out who was 2nd reviewer of Time
note [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09
<scribe> new version of OWL Time:
[41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0045.
html
[41]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0045.html
3.3 WordNet (Aldo)
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our
Recipe's [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07] NOTE
[DONE]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07
<Elisa> zakim mute me
Guus: Proposed to use W3C URIs, and mark agreed. New draft available
today.
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about
using W3 URI's in next draft [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06] DONE
[43] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06
<scribe> New draft (23 April):
[44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0060.
html
[44]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0060.html
<guus>
[45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0073.
html
[45]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0073.html
Guus: Propose publishing new draft as 1st WG draft, with one
amendment: All URIs should work in W3C space.
... Mark needs to finish changing princeton URIs to W3C.
... Draft has had extensive discussion, and will continue being
discussed.
<RalphS> (yes, the 23 April draft still has princeton.edu URIs from
Appendix G onward)
Ralph: Jacco and Benjamin were reviewers.
Guus: There's a message from Benjamin saying he can live with all
the changes.
Ralph: If we get mail confirmation from Benjamin then we're good to
go.
Jacco: No problem with latest version.
<RalphS> Jacco: I haven't read the 23 April version but based on the
mail discussion I have no problem
Guus: Propose we publish 23 April WD on two conditions: 1. Ralph and
Mark make URIs work in W3C space; 2. Reviewers send explicit consent
to the list.
<Elisa> The two original reviewers of the OWL time note were Libby
and Jeremy according to the notes from the F2F meeting in Galway.
Ralph: I'll Check the URIs.
<libby> I reviewed it elisa
<libby> and so did jeremy I think
<Elisa> Yes -- and I believe your comments were addressed.
<libby> yeah I think so, not sure about jeremy's offhand
<Elisa> +
<Jacco> second!
DBooth: Second
<Jacco> check!
Jacco: I consent.
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to ask Benjamin if he agrees to the WG
publishing 23 Apr version with the above provisos. [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action16]
RESOLUTION: We publish 23 April Wordnet draft on two conditions: 1.
Mark and Ralph make URIs work in W3C space; 2. Reviewers send
explicit consent to the list.
3.5 VM - Vocabulary Management (TomB)
(nobody here)
3.6 HTML - Embedding RDF in HTML (Ben)
<Elisa> sorry -
<benadida>
[47]http://w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer
[47]
http://w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer
Ben: I'll give reviewers credit in next draft.
<benadida> ^-- URL of latest draft
Ben: You need to use the Mozilla browser at present, but this will
be fixed by final draft.
... I think we've address all comments but need to check once more.
... Changes from last draft are not dramatic. They were to avoid
contentious issues.
<RalphS> Ben: current version uses xmlspec DTD so client-side XSLT
required; will be in HTML form when we publish
<RalphS>
[48]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-pri
mer
[48]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer
Ben: Want it re-reviewed.
Guus: Two reviewers would be okay. Previous reviewers would be fine.
<scribe> ACTION: DBooth to re-review RDFa draft by next teleconf
(doc ready by Wed 26 Apr for review) [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action17]
Ben: Other volunteers to review?
Guus: Previous reviewer was Gary. Ask him if he'll review it again.
Ben: Plan is to make the normative doc a part of XHTML 2 spec.
<RalphS> Ralph: suggest asking Fabien to review RDFa also
Ralph: Also ask Fabien, since he's trying to implement it.
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to ask Gary (and Fabien) if they would review
RDFa Primer doc [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action18]
<Elisa> Guus and all -- I need to jump off to catch a plane. Thanks,
and talk to you in a couple of weeks.
Ben: We're finding beginnings of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa
marked up terms.
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to send examples of bookmarklets highlighting
RDFa marked up terms to WG list [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action19]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put
acknowledgements in [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action20]
next draft [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING]
[53] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action09
3.7 ADTF - Applications and Demos (Libby)
Guus: Transition to outreach group?
Libby: Data is there for people to take and use. Demo's broken. Page
of RDF and XSLT is there.
Guus: Close the TF?
Libby: Please do close it.
<libby> cheers guus
RESOLUTION: Close ADTF - Applications and Demos TF
<libby> hurrah!
3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability (Steve)
(nobody here)
3.9 Tutorial Page
(nobody here)
3.10 SE - Software Engineering
Guus: There will be an XG on this -- perfect for continuing work on
it.
3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation
Jacco: Wanted version ready May 5 for discussion in last teleconf.
Do we need reviewers?
Guus: Best to approach previous reviewers (Guus and Mike Uschold).
<libby> cheers all!
<raphael> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to ask Gary (and Fabien) if they would review RDFa
Primer doc [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to send examples of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa
marked up terms to WG list [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements
in [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: DBooth to re-review RDFa draft by next teleconf (doc
ready by Wed 26 Apr for review) [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Elisa to figure out who was 2nd reviewer of Time note
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Elisa to find correct latest version of part-whole
draft. [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to ask Benjamin if he agrees to the WG publishing
23 Apr version with the above provisos. [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to propose a version of QCR note for review by 8
May teleconf [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph copy
[63]http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-pa
rt-whole-relations-v0-2.html to WG area [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
[62] http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09
[63]
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/%7Erector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-who
le-relations-v0-2.html
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior
to final mtg [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[65] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04
[66] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05
[DONE] ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note
[recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's
[recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07] NOTE
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using
W3 URI's in next draft [recorded in
[69]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note [recorded in
[70]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki
[recorded in
[71]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[67] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action03
[68] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action07
[69] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action06
[70] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action01
[71] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action10
[DROPPED] ACTION: Elisa/Chris to work with Ralph to make part-whole
doc ready for publication (Elisa took over this action from Chris
and Alan) [recorded in
[72]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc [recorded in
[73]http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Ralph to find out who were previous reviewers of
part-whole doc and see if they will re-review [recorded in
[74]http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[72] http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11
[73] http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action02
[74] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes.html#action08
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