- From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:12:09 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
I was ACTIONed to explain why I think putting the "world" task force
on hold for now is a good idea - here is my rationale.
To start, let me make clear what I think the role of this Working
Group is - but let me make clear that this is my opinion and in no
way represents a position as either an AC or a member of the W3C Sem
Web Coordination Group.
Working Notes from this Working Group, it seems to me, should
represent consensus on issues that have more to do with design than
evangelism. A wonderful example of this is the Turtle stuff, in
which we are able to endorse a widely used "presentation syntax" for
RDF/OWL and give it a status above what could be done by an
individual publishing to an interest group or even an organization
presenting this as a W3C Note. Our endorsement says, in essence,
that a number of W3C organizations have had their eyes on this
design, believe it is important to the use of the Semantic Web, and
promote its continued use.
An example of what we shouldn't do, it seems to me, is anything
whose purpose is primarily "evangelism" of the Semantic Web. There
is a Semantic Web Education and Outreach component to the W3C
Semantic Web activity, and while this WG should be interacting with
that, I don't see doing this sort of thing as the right role for a WG.
So, with that in mind, let's look at the two things I hoped the World
Task Force would do:
1. explain how RDF interacts with other web architecture components
and languages -- what I had in mind was something on the technical
level, not a "RDF is wonderful" document, but a "here's how to make
it interoperate with other stuff" note. What I have found by
watching the GRDDL work is that this is very hard to do right, and I
think we should do it fairly specifically in the context of one thing
at a time (for example, I'd love to see a standard XSD to RDFS/OWL
conversion - my group encounters this all the time, and it would be
nice to have some "standard" so we could interoperate w/other people
doing the same). I think pursuing these individual cases and
pursuing them through notes (and even Rec documents if they are
really important, as GRDDL might be) is a valuable thing for the WG
to do - but I'm convinced a general statement would be much work for
little gain. I'd strongly urge everyone on this group to write
papers evangelizing the great things you are doing with Semantic Web
languages, but I think these will have more impact in XML.com, XML
Journal, large workshops and conferences, and other venues where this
sort of outreach and evangelism is more appropriate
ii. explain the whole continuum of RDF/RDFS/OWL{Lite,DL, Full} -- I
still think this is important, and eventually needs doing, but
frankly I simply don't believe we know enough yet and if we produced
a bad note on this I think it would do much more damage than to
produce nothing. On the DAWG, for example, I find that another
member and I seem to diagree violently every time OWL is discussed -
the interesting part is that he is from a startup basing its survival
on OWL and, like me, is a big OWL promoter -- so the main
disagreement is between two OWL promoters. Similarly, I don't see
how we could come to agreement on a discussion of the costs and
benefits of OWL Lite v. DL v. Full in anything other than theoretical
terms until a lot more applications and implementations are out
there. So, basically, if I thought there was agreement on the WG I
might be willing to see if we could move this forward, but I don't
see major points of agreement emerging (look how hard it is to do
some of the "simple" things in OEP in this consensus process) and I
think we would be introducing a very contentious issue when, frankly,
I simply don't think we know the answers.
So, based on the above, my opinion is that World would detract from
other, IMO more important work, in these early stages of the WG. I
believe that in another year or two, based on what I am seeing in
uptake of RDFS/OWL, I think we will know more and can at least argue
from practical, rather than theoretical, perspectives, and I think
that we can reconsider the RDFS/OWL(etc) issues at that time
Not sure if that helps, but it reflects why I made the recommendation I did.
JH
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Professor James Hendler http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler
Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technologies 301-405-2696
Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab. 301-405-6707 (Fax)
Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 240-277-3388 (Cell)
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