- From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:00:55 -0400
- To: "John Black" <JohnBlack@deltek.com>, "Sandro Hawke" <sandro@w3.org>, "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
- Cc: <public-sw-meaning@w3.org>
A >As a side note, I have a personal suspicion about the genesis of >one of the ideas behind RDF. The sole evidence for it is that it >explains (to me, at least) one of the more surprising notions that >has been advanced about RDF, that the predicate carries the meaning. >I suspect that after the web was created the creators looked at it >and thought that it was good. An amazing amount of things can be >done with just the simple relation of 'isRelatedTo'. Then they said, >"But can't we do better than just to say this resource 'isLinkedTo' >that resource? Couldn't we make the relation 'isLinkedTo' (or >'isRelatedTo') carry more meaning. We should be able to say, >'isLinkedToAsCreatorOf' or 'isLinkedToAsTheDateOf'. And instead >of creating the link by embedding one URI in a document identified >by another URI, lets give that more meaningful >'isLinkedToAsCreateorOf' a URI name so that the meaning of the >relation expressed can actually be looked up on the web as well." >Sorry for the digression and for the error if I am mistaken. I'm not sure why you say it this way -- one of the key features of RDF is that you can have a labeled rather than an unlabeled graph, and we RDFers say that lots of times. From the earliest days of the web people argued that a set of labels would be useful - there was a proposal (I think in an early MCF draft) to have about 10 particular labels, and about the same time some of us started arguing for the use of URIs giving us an infinite set of labels -- RDF realized this was right, and it is a key part of the design. Thus, one way to look at a basic RDF triple is simply "This URI is linked to that URI by the relation in this third URI" -- and thus any individual or group can create a relationship URI and use it -- and if they use it consistently, the link can be useful. However, another key idea grew about the same time -- as long as we are using URIs, we could make those URIs dereferencable -- that is, we could look and see if there is a document there, and if so, perhaps that document could describe the link -- RDFS and OWL provide vocabularies that live at those links and provide information about the "intent" of those relationships. And technically, that is the heart of the Semantic Web architecture - links that can be named and described more formally. IMO, the social meaning issue arises from the fact that we have both referencing and dereferecing going on. When links share a URI, and there's no document at that URI to dereference, then it is clear that any meaning of that term is in some sort of off-line "Social" conventions between the users thereof. However, when we add the dereferencing it becomes trickier -- because now we have to ask if use of the term in some way "commits" to what is in the dereferencing document, if the owner of that document controls the use of the term, etc. There's lots of other "social meaning" issues on the Semantic Web, and the threads on this list talk about many of them, but in my mind the key ones are those that arise from the issue of the relation between the named terms and the documents that describe, in some formal way, the use of those terms > >And the absence of "...easy access to disagreements...", the >ability to disagree with, deny, or refute propositions, as has been >convincingly argued on this list, is of profound importance. > >[snip] > >> >(http://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/SWTSGuide/carroll-ISWC2004.pdf) >> > appears to me to fit right into what you want. > >I agree. The development of assertion described in this paper would >be a great place to start. > >John Black > >> > > John Black >> > Peter F. Patel-Schneider > >> -- sandro -- Professor James Hendler http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technologies 301-405-2696 Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab. 301-405-6707 (Fax) Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 240-277-3388 (Cell)
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