- From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:00:07 -0400
- To: public-sw-meaning@w3.org
Sorry I could stay to end of phone call today -- there were a couple
of things being discussed I'd like to have followed up on -- one in
particular is bothering me
It has to do with imports vs. commitment to what something claims.
Tim said that he viewed owl:imports as more or less a "#include"
mechanism, and I agree. However, if referring to a URI on another
page is also like a "#include" then I think we break the Semantic Web
-- that is, the "imports closure" of a SW document could conceivably
end up being a major portion of the whole semantic web if we are
successful and end up with lots of things pointing at each other
(which is certainly my vision of the SW, and I think also Tim's)
I don't have a solution in mind yet, but I really want to be able to
tease apart a few different situations:
1 - I think the NCI ontology (17000 classes) is great, and I want to
let people coming to my documents know that my document concurs with
it
this can be handled by my saying me document owl:import NCI
(although that might cause me to have to read in a whole lot of
classes)
2 - I look at the NCI ontology and examine a small portion of it. I
think that part is good (the part on oncogenes), but I'm not sure
about the whole document (which contains stuff about lifestyles,
about fast food restarants, and lots of other things) -- I might like
my document to say that I use certain terms from that document, but
am not willing to "commit" to the others (I don't say I disagree with
the others, just that I'm not willing to buy in)
I haven't seen any mechanism to do this, although at one point
Bijan suggested a mechanism in which the owl:ontology statement could
include a set of URIs from that or other documents and give them a
name together. This was roundly rejected by Peter and Ian, among
others, but I still think it had merit (esp in light of the
discussion on this list)
3 - I'm looking for a way to mark up some instance data, and I have a
database of information about genetic loci - I see that the NCI
ontology has a list of these loci (MYC, PVT, etc) so in my document I
define some properties of the nci:locus class and assert my
information -- this seems valuable to me because I figure other
people will decide if they like the NCI ontology, and if they do
maybe they'll find my data and properties useful. (This is a real
situation we're trying to encourage some large genetic DB providers
to buy into) - the user also may find some other cancer ontologies
and define some properties on the terms from that as well..
Difference in this case from 2 is that this user is trying to add
their own information to be used with some ontology, and doesn't
really care what is in the parent ontology other than some particular
class they want to use - perhaps the same mechanism could be used as
in 2, but might be a lot of extra work over just using a URI
reference (This is my personal favorite for what a URI reference
without an imports statement should do)
In essence, I like Tim's idea of a protocol, and that somehow it is
between the user and the definer of the URI, but I'm worried that if
it becomes transitive (i.e. protocol gets B to understand A, gets C
to understand B, gets D to understand C, ...) we cannot distinguish
the cases above, or worse, we end up with an everything imports
everything type situation (I recently created a version of part of
the NCI ontology that includes a reference to something in CYC and to
something in WordNet -- my document contains about 20 lines, but if
you have to bring in all those things to "understand" it, you get
well over a million triples -- this strikes me as a problem)
--
Professor James Hendler hendler@cs.umd.edu
Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technologies 301-405-2696
Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab. 301-405-6707 (Fax)
Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 *** 240-277-3388 (Cell)
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