- From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
- Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:20:28 -0700
- To: Dirk Schulze <dirk@dschulze.com>, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- CC: SVG WG <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
FWIW - PDF does the same thing, where content authoring tools will put additional "metadata" in the document to enable richer editing. Such data can either be document or object-level. SVG + data* attributes seems like it would enable something similar. (but this is also a PERFECT example of why the lack of support for proper namespacing in HTML5 is a problem in the real world!) Leonard On 10/30/11 2:40 AM, "Dirk Schulze" <dirk@dschulze.com> wrote: >Hello SVG folks, > >Live path effects are a good example for the different needs and >preferences of SVG content creators (the applications) and SVG viewers. > >Content creators need detailed information about the objects, applied >effects and so on. This makes it possible to reproduce the steps that >were done to make a certain effect possible, to undo, redo them and >combine them with other effects. > >In my opinion SVG viewers don't care that much about these information. >They don't need to know how an effect was created by an application. The >viewer just wants to display the content on the display and make it >accessible to the user. The main target is performance. The content must >be drawn as fast as possible. That is not necessarily a need of content >creators. That can be seen in Inkscape with some smaller delays on >repainting objects when you apply effects to them. And that is ok for >these applications (partly). > >Just as an example what needs to be done for the simple example of Chris: >1. Parse the path data (first DOM access) >2. Create the path, apply the stroke style >3. Create the stroke outline path and make sure that is doesn't contain >holes by crossing stroke parts. Determine how detailed the stroke path >must be. Not all graphics libraries provide these features and it must be >covered by the application itself. >4. Get information about path effects (search effects on the DOM, more >DOM accesses) >5. Create the transformation function for the path effect >6. Apply transformation function to every element of stroke path >7. Draw the resulting path on the screen > >In comparison to the current result of such an effect created in Inkscape >for the viewer: >1. Parse the path data >2. Create the path, apply the stroke style >3. Draw the path on the screen > >I can understand the needs of content creators. But maybe the way >Inkscape is doing it is the best way: add more meta data to the SVG file >how the content was created. The Viewer wouldn't care about these >information on rendering. The metadata can be archived in an own >namespace like Inkscape does it. Most of the users (>95%?) don't care >about how the content was created anyway and web developer can decide to >remove the meta data of the SVG if they don't want the users to see these >information. > >I could also imagine to create two profiles: One profile for viewers and >one profile for content creators. This could replace the current profile >concept tiny, mobile, full, .... The profile for viewers is a smaller >subset of the profile of content creators. Once content creators and >viewers agree, a certain feature could be added to the viewer profile as >well. Or creators use the <switch> element with the modified behavior >described by Erik Dahlström. The switch could check for a certain feature >of a viewer (even if it is not specified yet). If the viewer doesn't >support the feature, the pre-calculated result will get displayed. That >would make it possible for SVG Viewers to decide for their selfs which >part of the content creator profile match their own needs. > >Greetings, >Dirk > >Am 29.10.2011 um 02:14 schrieb Chris Lilley: > >> Hello SVG, >> >> The live path effect plus the original path (inkscape:original-d) are >>small compared to the eventual path which results. >> >> -- >> Chris Lilley Technical Director, Interaction Domain >> W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead >> Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG >> Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working >>Groups<drawing-inkscape.svg><drawing-svg.svg> > >
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