- From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:39:14 +0200
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[1]W3C
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
05 Oct 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
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Attendees
Present
[Microsoft], ed, +39.537.7.aaaa, Shepazu, [IPcaller]
Regrets
CL
Chair
ed
Scribe
ed
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ISSUE-2353
2. [5]SVG Integration
3. [6]new zeeland f2f
4. [7]testsuite
5. [8]feColorRamp
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 05 October 2010
ISSUE-2353
ISSUE-2353?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2353 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify coordinates for
feImage. -- raised
<trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2353
[10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2353
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-svg-editors/2010Oct/0
011.html
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-svg-editors/2010Oct/0011.html
[12]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#feImag
eElement
[12]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#feImageElement
SVG Integration
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
DS: AG updated the tables, some minor bugs but it's good enough as a
starting point
... added elements, attributes and properties into SVGIntegration
... and filed a bug with HTML5 to not whitelist some attributes and
elements but rather to refer to SVG Integration
<shepazu> [13]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10965
[13] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10965
DS: we've discussed this concern before
... HTML5 will be contemporary with SVG2
... need to collect all attributes and elements from all specs
... i've outlined an algorithm for dealing with mixed-case
... it's well established
... in unicode
PD: that's lowercasing everything, right?
... could you forward-compatible this, such that elements
automatically work?
... can we skip the tables?
DS: casematching is an issue, most authors don't care, but xml does
... but svg in html isn't xml anymore
... could consider it as two serializations
... or we could make schema that allows both
... not sure it's worth it
... though if we think people will screw up casing
... have seen people getting 'viewBox' wrong, it has a capital B,
i've seen 'viewbox' many times
PD: don't buy your xslt argument, if you want to use that you make
sure you have valid xml
DS: we'll face similar issues with CSS properties, where properties
are shared
... e.g with lowercasing case-sensitive values
PD: there are technolgies that were done in svg first, but which are
now moving into the html5 space
... things that aren't necessarily bound to vector graphics
DS: we should try to make features maximally useful to the web
languages
... svg didn't define the xml format, wouldn't mind if there was a
similar effort to make xml-like format that allows error-correction
as html5 does, such that we get case-insensitivty, leaving off
attribute quotemarks
... maybe there should be a more forgiving parser for xml
... in the svg2 timeframe, we need to resolve the case sensititvy
PD: we need to take a stand on strict xml vs looser syntax
... it's the most important topic
DS: PD you're writing up a whitepaper for tpac?
PD: more of a gathering of thoughts
<scribe> ...in progress, trying to get it ready before tpac
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: to get feedback on it
DS: as a starting position that would be useful
PD: we need to find our position, xml or not
DS: the goal is to adopt svg, not particulary xml
... the case sensitityv is an obstacle
PD: people are likely going to learn svg from the html perspective
... they're doing css transforms, not svg transforms
DS: we should put a high priority on filters, and transforms
... anything we are going to be sharing
<jwatt> Zakim: ++P0 is me
<jwatt> Zakim: ??P0 is me
DS: how do we make it as easy as possible for people to use svg?
with the ideoms they're already familiar with
... PD said that he thinks this is urgent
new zeeland f2f
PD: when's that?
DS: late february
ED: JW do you have any more details?
JW: need to narrow down the dates
DS: could you send out an email?
JW: ok
DS: PD will you be able to go?
PD: will check
testsuite
PD: how do we get the microsoft tests accepted by the wg?
ED: get them reviewed by people on the group, know it's hard and
people are pressed for time and so on
PD: we are working on categorizing the tests better, to say that the
users can code to particular modules
... we need to get the message across that svg is ready for
primetime
DS: when i did presentations filters is the thing that excites
people the most
... maybe it will come to be seen as a css feature though
... it's still percieved as an svg feature
... we might start talking about reorganization, functionality sets
... we're doing a report on the testsuite, on tests that we think
are broken
... some tests are using features like declarative animation
... our proposal would be to make the tests more finegrained
... the test naming
... an alternative route... a dependency chain for each spec
... for each test what part of the spec is that test testing
... in terms of organizing the tests we should add metadata to say
what dependencies the test has
... so if you have filters in a markers test, link to those sections
PD: sounds like a lot of work
... there are too many dependencies in the tests
DS: we could categorize the tests, renaming is one thing
ED: renaming tests in cvs, not a great idea, loses history
... would love to move to more modern version control system though
PD: beauty of the web website has some great svg examples
<pdengler> [14]http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/
[14] http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/
<pdengler> [15]http://www.thekillersmusic.com/HTML5#tour-browse
[15] http://www.thekillersmusic.com/HTML5#tour-browse
<pdengler> [16]http://www.skybeautiful.com/
[16] http://www.skybeautiful.com/
feColorRamp
<shepazu>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0031.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0031.html
ED: sounds a bit like feComponentTransfer
TB: this is indexed colors
PD: let's put it in the issue tracker
DS: i'd like to cut out all but one color channel
... e.g take away all color except blue
... is that doable?
PD: is that different from masking?
DS: don't know
trackbot, make minutes
<trackbot> Sorry, ed, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'.
Please refer to [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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Summary of Action Items
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