- From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:31:52 +0200
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
30 Sep 2010
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0144.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
ed
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]SVG 1.1 implementation report / testsuite
2. [6]TPAC
3. [7]next f2f (after tpac)
4. [8]css/svg 2d transforms
5. [9]html change requests
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 30 September 2010
<shepazu> Zakim:, room for 7?
<ChrisL> i'm having a problem connecting, zakim says the conference
is restricted
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
SVG 1.1 implementation report / testsuite
ed: we should get started on the 1.1 implementation report
CL: have an action to go through old tests and mark them properly as
reviewed/approved
... will do that tomorrow
ed: will hopefully have some automated tests for checking in
tomorrow
cl: the css wg did some automated tests too
ed: all this is using the test.w3.org testing framework
... what do we need to do to get started on the implementation
report?
cl: did we agree to use the same template as before, the xml-files
generated by the svg perl scripts?
ed: yes, if it still works
ag: checking this now
... they are being generated
ed: we need to make sure that only accepted tests are in the test
status xml-file
... currently it's probably using the list of tests that are in the
harness, which includes drafts
<scribe> ACTION: AG to generate the svg 1.1f2 implementation report
test status xml-template consisting of the list of all accepted SVG
1.1 tests [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2877 - Generate the svg 1.1f2
implementation report test status xml-template consisting of the
list of all accepted SVG 1.1 tests [on Anthony Grasso - due
2010-10-07].
ed: do we need to re-run previous 1.1 tests, or can we run just the
new tests?
cl: we could, but it's probably better to re-run everything
(discussion on who has actions for testing various implementation)
ag: just regenerated the test status template, need to get the list
of tests to include
ed: sent
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/014
0.html (some tests that need review)
... if we need to change the spec to address 1.1F2, we will need to
add more tests
... how do we deal with that?
[12]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0140.html
cl: we can merge old test results with new test results
... most tests won't change
... avoid repeating work
ds: we should only test tests that changed, or where previously it
was a fail
ag: we could generate the blank impl query, and start merging bits
that we know results for
ds: is this a job for xslt?
cl: not very good at taking two input documents
ds: what's the process, how are we going to do this?
ag: i have the action mentioned above, to generate the test report
ds: what's the automated process?
cl: not there yet, but merge old results, generate new template with
those results
... this is mostly for when we add a small amount of new tests
ds: if we put the results into a database it might be easier
cl: sure, that means we don't use the xml templates
ds: so it's mostly about how we do this in an easy way
... a CSV file can easily be imported into SQL
... don't know how we want to automate the process
... we should talk to the testing taskforce
ed: so the testing framework seems to have provisions for automated
(scriptdriven) tests, and produces an html report, but not sure
about manual/interactive tests
<shepazu>
[13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_Overview
[13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_Overview
TPAC
ds: people should register for TPAC as soon as possible
cl: the daily charge goes up soon
ds: we need to set up a meeting with the css group
... CL can you setup an FX taskforce meeting?
<scribe> ACTION: CL to set up a FXTF meeting with the CSS WG for
TPAC 2010 [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2878 - Set up a FXTF meeting with the CSS
WG for TPAC 2010 [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-07].
ed: any other groups we want to meet with?
ag: html, xsl?
ds: do we need to meet with webapps?
... there will be discussion of DOM 3 Events
... one open issue for DOM 3 Events is that DOM 3 Events doesn't
have a way to normalize x and y coordinates (for transforms etc)
cl: what does that means?
ds: it's to deal with screenCTM etc
<scribe> ACTION: ed to contact jwatt regarding DOM 3 Events and
mouse events normalization, and send LC feedback on DOM 3 Events
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2879 - Contact jwatt regarding DOM 3
Events and mouse events normalization, and send LC feedback on DOM 3
Events [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-10-07].
next f2f (after tpac)
ed: what's the status?
ds: jwatt is investigating mozilla hosting in new zeeland
<shepazu> Jonathan Watt wrote (on 9/13/10 9:26 PM):
<shepazu> Okay, got approval. Mozilla will host a F2F in Auckland in
January/February
<shepazu> (other date could be fine too, but the weather is good
then).
<shepazu>
[16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Testing_Framework
[16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Testing_Framework
cl: tpac is november, so january sounds a bit early
ed: late february would be good, since tpac is in november
cl: sounds good to me
ds: will communicate that to jwatt
ed: would be nice to get the meetings wikipage updated with the
details for the auckland f2f
ds: will remind him about that too
<anthony>
[17]http://dev.w3.org/Graphics-FX/modules/2D-transforms/spec/2DTrans
forms.html
[17]
http://dev.w3.org/Graphics-FX/modules/2D-transforms/spec/2DTransforms.html
css/svg 2d transforms
ag: many changes, see changelog for the history
... mostly ready for publishing
html change requests
ds: html wg is trying to freeze changes to html5, and they want
changerequests in today or tomorrow
... the treatment of param elements was one thing i know of, they're
static and don't update
... i'm filling out a change req for that
... anything else we need to ask for?
... referring to the SVG integration spec, maybe?
CL: i thought we had already agreed to doing that
ed: yes, would be good
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: AG to generate the svg 1.1f2 implementation report
test status xml-template consisting of the list of all accepted SVG
1.1 tests [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: CL to set up a FXTF meeting with the CSS WG for TPAC
2010 [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to contact jwatt regarding DOM 3 Events and mouse
events normalization, and send LC feedback on DOM 3 Events [recorded
in [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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