- From: Patrick Dengler <patd@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:42:01 +0000
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
- CC: Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>
Hi folks,
Sorry I have been away. I wanted to clarify the notes from this meeting as we got feedback that our HTML5 support for SVG on our test site may not be correct.
According to our conversation below, the default value for HTML CSS2 overflow is auto, thus the default for SVG in HTML is auto.
I wanted to make sure this was correct.
Patrick Dengler
-----Original Message-----
From: public-svg-wg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-svg-wg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Chris Lilley
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:40 AM
To: www-svg@w3.org
Subject: Minutes, Monday 7 June 2010 SVG WG telcon
Hello www-svg,
Monday call started as an informal call because we did not have enough people. We discussed status of 1.1SE pubrules checking etc.
Then more people joined and we had a minuted discussion ...
http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html
SVG Working Group Teleconference
07 Jun 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
ChrisL
Contents
* [3]Topics
* [4]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 07 June 2010
<ed>
[5]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/struct.html#Interfac
eSVGElementInstanceList
[5] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/struct.html#InterfaceSVGElementInstanceList
<ed>
[6]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/masking.html#Overflo
wProperty
[6] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/masking.html#OverflowProperty
<scribe> scribenick: pdengler
Though we agreed to close this conf call early, a few topics came up
that required a scribe
<ed> [7]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html#OverflowProperty
[7] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html#OverflowProperty
First, I am concerned about the quality of the test cases. I will
return on Thursday's conf call such that we can identify whether or
not Microsoft can add resources to review the details. The concern
is that 'draft' tests have been moved into accepted without propper
review
pdengler: Topic: HTML5 and SVG. Should overflow property default to
overflow:visible
<ed>
[8]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/masking.html.d
iff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&f=h
[8] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/master/masking.html.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&f=h
<ed> ACTION-2203
<ChrisL> [9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2203
[9] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2203
shepazu: We think that this solves the questino
<ChrisL> ACTION-2203
<ChrisL> Add to the 1.1 Full errata that the initial value for the
root overflow property is scroll rather than hidden
wait
<ChrisL> scribe: ChrisL
doug: hyatt raised a similar issue which is why we changed 1.1.
Agreed by the WG at the time, ROC was in on the discussion
... action is now closed. solves the question from the svg side but
not necessarily from the html side
... solves for inline svg
... for iframes, object, embed it needs to be clarified
jwatt: treated the same
ed: yes
doug: so html5 spec needs to say so
<pdengler> Not sure why I cannot be heard on the phone
<pdengler> but we are saying that overflow=visible for inline SVG
patrick: so for inline overflow is visible
... and for the others its the default
ed: if its inside a container then you dont use overflow
patrick: overflow visible is the right thing for an html developer
doug: html needs to take care of the rest
ed: more of a css issue, html does need to change. Its what type of
block is generated
chris: so what specifically needs to change in css?
ed: type of layout box generated by the inline html element needs to
be specified
... perhaps in svg. tiny specifies it well
<ed> [10]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/coords.html#IntrinsicSizing
[10] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/coords.html#IntrinsicSizing
ed: this plus css 2.1 is enough to define it
... need to know how big the element covers when overlow is visible.
can't be bigger than its container
patrick: if overflow is not visible, people will wonder where the
content went
doug: where are the natural dimensions defined?
... if i am dynamically adding it
ed: well, 100% is the default
chris: need to distinguish between the renderde size and the range
of coordinate space being used
... depends on whether viewBox is set or not
doug: as well as width&height and the viewbox we need the intrisicc
width and height
jwat: but those terms are used already
chris: boundingBox?
ed: yes the bounding box can be bigger than the viewBox
chris: needs 4 coordinates not two
doug: an attr with 4 values is a pain
... inkscape confuses width and height with te overall bounding box
ISSUE: Differentiate bounding box from viewbox and width and height
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-2329 - Differentiate bounding box from
viewbox and width and height ; please complete additional details at
[11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2329/edit .
[11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2329/edit
patrick: for svg in html5 overflow visible, correct?
(all)
doug: discussed with css wg, defsault size for all replaced content
is 150x300
ewww
ed: css 2.1 covers this now
<scribe> ACTION: patrick to make some html5 and svg combined tests
that exercise overflow [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2795 - Make some html5 and svg combined
tests that exercise overflow [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-06-14].
doug: should discuss in fx tf once we have the tests
<ed> ACTION: ed to add ACTION-2203 to the changes appendix for SVG
1.1F2 [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2796 - Add ACTION-2203 to the changes
appendix for SVG 1.1F2 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-06-14].
patrick: whats the default in firefox nightlies?
jwatt: hidden
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: ed to add ACTION-2203 to the changes appendix for SVG
1.1F2 [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: patrick to make some html5 and svg combined tests that
exercise overflow [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/07-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
_________________________________________
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Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org
Technical Director, Interaction Domain
W3C Graphics Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
Received on Wednesday, 7 July 2010 16:42:35 UTC