- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:58:19 +1100
- To: www-svg@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
22 Feb 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
dsinger_, Shepazu, [IPcaller], ed, anthony
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]CSS/SVG fx taskforce
2. [5]Charter Priorities
3. [6]Test suite for 1.1se
4. [7]SVG 2.0
5. [8]CSS Clip property
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 22 February 2010
<shepazu> no it's not...
<shepazu> oh, nm
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 22 February 2010
CSS/SVG fx taskforce
<ed>
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0041.html
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0041.html
<scribe> Scribe: anthony
DS: Called out because of loose wording for optical kerning
... for text wrapping
... I'll try to work up some diagrams
ED: I would have to agree to John
... that it is a lower priority
... compared to other coordination issues
DS: It still is important, so wouldn't want to bury it
ED: Was hoping to have more people on the call
... might have to coordinate by email
DS: With respect to priorities I could add to the charter a priority
for a list of deliverables
... I could put them in an order for highest to lowest priority
ED: Sounds good to me anyway
AG: Might want to add wording to say that the priorities may change
DS: This document can be a live document
... wouldn't be subject to the process constrains of a WG charter
... the work is in the respective charters, this is a document about
how we are going to do the combined work
<dsinger> I think we shoulda reminded CSS (and Zakim :-()
<dsinger> I'm here (muted)
<dsinger> we are happy to talk about harmonizing 2D transforms and
transitions...
<dsinger> 3D transforms are further off, and animations are
more...controversial
AG: What about 3D Transforms any common ground there?
dsinger: Yes, I think the demand for them is not as high
DS: How are we going to do these deliverables?
... single specification by both groups?
... syntax for CSS & SVG?
... 2 specifications?
<dsinger> I really don't know! Good questions for the list, perhaps?
DS: 3 specifications?
... My suggestion is one deliverable that has the SVG and CSS syntax
... since the CSS is applicable to SVG and HTML
... and the SVG may also be applicable to HTML
... not sure how the CSS WG would feel about that
ED: That's a good question to put to the list
... haven't seen much activity on the list
DS: I think if we start having conversations there people will start
subscribing
ED: Don't like the cross posting thing either
DS: Maybe the first few messages we send we can BCC both CSS and SVG
... so when they reply the can reply to the list
<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Send an email about the possibly of a
combined specification for 2D Transforms for CSS & SVG and then a
single specification for 3D Transforms [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2731 - Send an email about the possibly of
a combined specification for 2D Transforms for CSS & SVG and then a
single specification for 3D Transforms [on Anthony Grasso - due
2010-03-01].
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to To email the list about canned filter
effects [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2732 - To email the list about canned
filter effects [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-03-01].
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Respond about the optical kerning and text
wrapping [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2733 - Respond about the optical kerning
and text wrapping [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-01].
Charter Priorities
DS: Gradient and paint servers?
... I think high
ED: Yes I think they are high
DS: 2D Transforms/3D Transforms?
AG: 2D high, 3D medium
DS: Filters and Canned effects?
... high
ED: I think so
DS: Animations and transitions?
ED: Animations medium, transitions high
DS: I think Apple want to get transitions out soon
... so Transitions high, and Animation medium
... Parameters?
... Medium
... Advanced Text Layout
<ed> s/ED: Animations high, transitions medium?/ED: Animations
medium, transitions high/
DS: Low
... Content layout
... and calc
... Low/medium
ED: Not sure if you saw the feedback but one of the guys implemented
the image fit in Opera
... and we might need to coordinate on that
... we might have to make changes in the SVG spec as well
... but possibly it could fit everything in the CSS one
... Anything else on the list?
DS: Think that's it
Test suite for 1.1se
ED: I started go through the test suite and noting down the issues
as I went along
... I committed a few patches
... and there are still a few issues to be sorted
... I think we should use the new pass criteria in the template
AG: Do you want to email me the list of issue
... and I can start on them
ED: I'll note everything down as I go along
SVG 2.0
DS: I successfully got a cut down version of 2.0 building
... I used SVG Tiny 1.2 as a base
... started cutting down files
... until it was working
... the actual content is not in there yet
... but I'm going to start putting that in
... there are 2 more steps I'd like to do
... integrating new syntax
... have the build system output the syntax for the proposed spec
conventions
<shepazu> [14]http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/spec-conventions.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/spec-conventions.html
DS: come up with a classification status for the section of the spec
... one class that explains where it came from - SVG 1.1 SVG Tiny
1.2
... then either changed/needs review/reviewed
ED: possible to markup with a mix of both
DS: Say we get some stuff out of SVG Tiny 1.2. I would mark that up
as needs review
... I would mark that paragraph as coming from SVG Tiny 1.2, but
needs review
ED: I guess that makes sense. I'm just wondering if it's going to be
simple to keep track of it
... I have a feeling it will get messy as you do more editing on it
DS: At as certain point it will be as complete as it can get and we
can take out what the origin was
... I think it's useful to know what the origin was
... With SVG Tiny 1.2 it's missing elements and attributes
... I imagine we will need to refine this process
... but I'd like to get started
... It might be good as part of the process
... if we have a document that keeps track of what we are up to
... bit like a gotcha list
... when editing
ED: Understand what you mean
... I guess we can discuss it in the next telcon if you commit it
soon
CSS Clip property
ED: Problem is CSS changed the way the clip property between version
1 and 2
... basically we have Robert Longson saying it would be nice to have
implemented only one way
... I'm not sure if Webkit does CSS clip in SVG
... Opera does implement it for SVG elements and treat the clips
differently
DS: Can we pick that up on Thursday?
AG: Do you think it's going to be a significant change?
ED: To reference CSS 2 will be a significant change
... from what I remember I think we said it would be a really big
change to reference CSS 2.1
DS: for SVG Tiny 1.2
ED: I'm not sure if we discussed it in the context of 1.1
... I guess it will be interesting to know how bigger impact will be
to change the reference
... Want to give an action about?
DS: Should raise an issue about it
ED: I'll raise the issue
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Send an email about the possibly of a
combined specification for 2D Transforms for CSS & SVG and then a
single specification for 3D Transforms [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Respond about the optical kerning and text
wrapping [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to To email the list about canned filter effects
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/22-svg-minutes.html#action02]
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